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Hindsight is a wonderful thing ..but.. IMO
Fantastic Hilton took over from Swan (TBC)
Nelson should have stayed no new manager JD or anyone else was needed.
No crazy rush of sub standard signings maybe a couple max .. go with what we had for the rest of the season and see what happens.
Everything seemed so rushed when a step back and a level headed approach was needed.Alas .. Hilton chose to gamble and it back fired massively so he is at fault ..however the damage was done long before he arrived.
NLN it is thats the reality today and im hoping Hilton wakes up contemplating exactly what his gamble has turned into and how he can change the situation for the better.
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Its safe to say ,nothing has improved and the football has got worse since the takeover
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He’s improved our relationship with HMRC. He’s improved our relationship with the Bank. He’s shown a willingness to rectify decisions made under
unusually pressured circumstances. He’s improved our relationship with the future … possibly … and even with our old, relentless friend ..Reality.5 users thanked author for this post.
To be fair to Hilton i think its too early to judge. Too many super negative people on here. Judging Hilton this time next year is probably a more realistic/reasonable approach, then passing judgement after only a couple of months.
Even Dean might surprise us and come good in a years time.4 users thanked author for this post.
Even Dean might surprise us and come good in a years time
The way he’s been show up tactically, I wouldn’t hold your breath if I was you.
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In answer to OP question: it must be the person who appointed him, and that would be Hilton.
I am pleased that Hilton came in and paid the necessary bills to ensure the club were able to see the season out however, Hilton has scored a few own goals since taking the helm; firstly replacing Nelson just as he was getting a tune out of the team, secondly the way he announced the appointment of Jimmy Dean and thirdly, appointing Jimmy Dean. Evidence of the match results and team performances have shown that Jimmy Dean is clearly learning on the job, and at the expense of Scunthorpe United. Then let’s not forget the closing of GP / training in Ilkeston announcement, followed by a swift U-turn. This was quickly followed by another U-turn following the announcement to close the academy, and again more issues on how the academy players, parents, coaches etc found out!
If I were grading Hilton’s tenure to date I would grade him has a “D” and write “After initial promise David has gone through a challenging few weeks and needs to think ideas through thoroughly before announcing them. David needs to ensure that all parties who are impacted by any announcements / changes are informed before any changes are announced in the press, website, or social media. I would like to see David go into greater detail on his plans for the forthcoming season in the National League North, as well as his short, mid, and long-term plans for the club, ground, and training facilities.”
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” Evidence of the match results and team performances have shown that Jimmy Dean is clearly learning on the job, and at the expense of Scunthorpe United.”
Interesting you think that Daz, IMO he’s not showing any signs that he’s learnt anything since he’s been here. Same s**** almost every week, still thinks 4-2-3-1 is the best system for the current squad and that Pugh and Shrimpton are the MF answer.
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” Evidence of the match results and team performances have shown that Jimmy Dean is clearly learning on the job, and at the expense of Scunthorpe United.”
Interesting you think that Daz, IMO he’s not showing any signs that he’s learnt anything since he’s been here. Same s**** almost every week, still thinks 4-2-3-1 is the best system for the current squad and that Pugh and Shrimpton are the MF answer.
Just because I said he was learning on the job doesn’t mean he is a fast learner. Some people learn quickly, some take longer, and some never learn despite how much time you give them. Jimmy Dean seems to be performing closer to the later of the three.
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Just because I said he was learning on the job
Problem is nobody has seen any evidence of that, as cassidy stated above, it’s the same mistakes and mindset game in game out. The decision to keep playing a formation that doesn’t suit the players is diobolical.
There is no way on planet earth it should take a manager 14 games to realise this and the punchline is that he still hasn’t. If Nelson can devise a system which suits the players in 3/4 games it shouldn’t take 14 games to pass without him realising that what he’s doing is not working.
Dean should have worked that out 6 or 7 games ago and the fact that he still hasn’t tells me he’s not learnt anything. How can a manager be learning on the job when they’re continually doing the same things that haven’t been working ?
I’ve seen the stats and didn’t exactly pull up any trees in NLN. I think he bottomed out there ability wise at that level and was truly found out at this one.
A manager should have more than one of playing, surely ?
I hope I’m wrong but I suspect I’m not. Dean will be signing all next seasons players with a view to playing the formation everybody hates, the dreaded 4/2/3/1 “the only one he knows”
I suspect we’ll have the same problem this coming season with turgid direct shitty football consisting of an isolated target man.
Could someone explain to me the difference in Nelson’s system and Dean’s. Both played mainly a nominal 4-3-3 as far as I can see.
Main difference is Nelson had Lavery and Dean didn’t.
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My concern is that given his past managerial positions Dean is more used to sourcing players that are part-timers.
The same would apply to Mr Hilton with his Ilkeston connections.
So I’m wondering who is going to be doing the recruitment. What type of players are being targeted. And what carrots (if any) are being dangled to persuade them to join a club that has suffered three relegations in five years?
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“I hope I’m wrong but I suspect I’m not. Dean will be signing all next seasons players with a view to playing the formation everybody hates, the dreaded 4/2/3/1 “the only one he knows”
IIRC Dean came here with a reputation of playing exciting, attractive, attacking football. Tricky wingers getting plenty of crosses in the box leading to plenty of goals. What went wrong? If that’s worked for him in the past why doesn’t he try it here? Baffling.
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Still at it I see WG, “I’ve seen the stats and they didn’t exactly pull any trees up any trees in NLN” holding their own mid table not good enough in their 1st season in that league, really? His and their achievements have been bettered by who exactly? Your football knowledge appears to be very thin to say the least.
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I’ve lost count of how many manager we have had over the last twenty years. The clamour of fans to get them sacked has always bothered me. The fact that some of these ‘terrible’ managers have proven themselves by being successful elsewhere, is a case in point. Look at where Mark Robins is now for instance, doing very well at Coventry. Could it be that he is getting better backing from their board? Or perhaps they are letting him do his job without interference? Maybe both.
I don’t believe how far we have fallen, but really can’t see the same thing happening next season. So let Dean have his chance, bring in his own players on real contracts, and see how he gets on over a longer period of time.
So let Dean have his chance, bring in his own players on real contracts, and see how he gets on over a longer period of time.
The worry is, as NI says above and I said earlier, that Dean’s knowledge of players is largely limited to NLN and below. Hopefully he might take some recommendations from Nelson and Turnbull (is he still around?) or we could end up with a team lacking the potential to progress.
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Whoever he does sign would struggle to be as badly motivated as the shower we have now. Short term loanees are ok if you lose both goalies, as we did with two broken arms in one match, remember that? But to sign all those players on such terms was too much! At the same time I’m still relieved that we still have a club to support in Scunthorpe.
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