Michelle’s first (&second) mistake

[Sharp_Shooter24]

Butler as manager

Then extending his contract at a point where most fans could not understand the logic in the decision

[ironfromafar]

Good points and easily explained.

AB was appointed purely on a fiscal basis… HE WAS THE CHEAP OPTION.

Extending his contract so soon was shear folly, a terrible decision especially after the great start to the season had already gone pear shaped when it happened.

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[Northumbiron]

Yeah, at the time of the appointment I reckon most people sussed the reasoning.

Contract extension may end up a bit of a faux-pas. Gives the impression that the club is not serious about getting out of this league.

[Siderite]

Or it could be a means of placing trust in their manager and ensuring job security, so Butler’s thoughts aren’t distracted by his own future. Dean was let go after an extension, so this extension doesn’t mean we can’t get rid of Butler if he fails.

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[Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg]

Contract extension made no sense whatsoever and puts in a corner if we now continue with our bad form.

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Iron414

[Iron-awe]

First mistake — reading this forum
Second mistake — not deleting Iron- bru from her phone. Lol

[PorthlevenIron2]

John Askey is doing an excellent job down here at Truro with a cobbled together side and a much smaller budget than us I would imagine. Personally I think we should have gone for a manager with more experience. One win in 6 games is a very poor return.

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[WonderGoals]

Why didn’t Michelle wait until Jan to really see how we and Butler fared before choosing to extend his contract ?. Butler did well to an extent and had a good start, but that’s all it was, a good start.

I love Michelle for her work in saving the club, but there needs to be an experienced football head at the club who hasn’t been connected with the club in the past in an advisory role to safeguard against decisions like this.

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[64]

Like when Swann Whatshisnamethisweek and Dean were in charge?

[cassidystash]

A couple of weeks ago we were close to appointing a new CEO, what happened there.

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Awaywego

[Awaywego]

Bit like there’s money still available to add to the squad if needed ???

[Siderite]

cassidystash wrote:

A couple of weeks ago we were close to appointing a new CEO, what happened there.

Two weeks isn’t that long in the grand scheme of things.

[cassidystash]

It’s not “close” though is it? Close is the next day or two otherwise why say anything. Not as if the fans are pushing for a new CEO, players on the other hand….

[Siderite]

Close has no fixed time range, and is subjective. I have suspicions that the club were right and we’re probably just waiting to formally announce them anyway.

[Iron-awe]

Some right cranky b****rs on here ATM, chill out guys it’s a long season.

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[Iron414]

Siderite wrote:

Or it could be a means of placing trust in their manager and ensuring job security, so Butler’s thoughts aren’t distracted by his own future. Dean was let go after an extension, so this extension doesn’t mean we can’t get rid of Butler if he fails.

So what your saying is we gave him a new deal so he had ‘job security’ but in reality his job isn’t really secure as we can still get rid (and he knows that based on what happen with Dean) so really the whole exercise was pointless? Makes sense…

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[Siderite]

I think Butler is fully aware that his job could be at risk if he doesn’t gain promotion. However, if he does turn things round and his contract isn’t being extended, it could be a source for worry down the line which may affect him. I don’t think this is that hard to work out.

[Mick West]

The CEO was at the fans forum

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Siderite

[cassidystash]

OK, I admit it, I’m a grumpy old b****r. I reckon I’m entitled to be and I voice my opinions based on what I’m seeing. I get frustrated, occasionally angry, when I see the blindingly obvious seemingly invisible to those that count. I know we are under serious financial constraints and I understand why but prioritising a CEO over players I do not understand. I hope it’s not Jim, sorry James, Rodwell – surely we learnt from that fiasco. It seems we have a totally inflexible manager, inexperienced but seemingly unwilling to learn. He’s new, he’ll make mistakes but must learn from those. To be clear – I don’t want him gone, I really want him to succeed, the club needs it.

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[Awaywego]

Surely we’re not looking at a CEO outside of those on the existing club payroll!

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Iron414

[Iron414]

Siderite wrote:

I think Butler is fully aware that his job could be at risk if he doesn’t gain promotion. However, if he does turn things round and his contract isn’t being extended, it could be a source for worry down the line which may affect him. I don’t think this is that hard to work out.

‘Down the line’ perhaps and in the (somewhat unlikely) event of him ‘turning things around’ then yes absolutely. If we were at end Jan / feb / March and sitting top of the league your reasoning would stand, but only 6 weeks after the start of the season and on the back of some very questionable results and even more questionable performances? Come on! If job security was going to be an issue why agree a one year contract in the first place? All we’ve done is ensure that, whilst his job is non-the-safer, he will pocket a chonk of pay off cash when we let him go. Cash that could otherwise have been used towards playing budget or a more suitable replacement. Exactly the same mistake as we made with Jimmy.

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[Siderite]

I’m just spitballing ideas as to the reasoning behind why the club might have offered him an extension over reactionary outrage. I wouldn’t have done it, but I think there is more of a reason, even if misplaced, as to why.

6 weeks is too soon for an extension, but it is seemingly fine for some to write off completely (or even before 1 game for others).

[Iron414]

Siderite wrote:

I’m just spitballing ideas as to the reasoning behind why the club might have offered him an extension over reactionary outrage. I wouldn’t have done it, but I think there is more of a reason, even if misplaced, as to why.

6 weeks is too soon for an extension, but it is seemingly fine for some to write off completely (or even before 1 game for others).

Fair enough. Still the wrong call, far more downside risk than potential upside. If anything it’s had the reverse effect than intended and added additional pressure to Butler with fans feeling more frustrated by the idea of 2 seasons of poor football and the contract extension becoming a talking point.

Perhaps those you refer to had a little foresight after seeing managerial appointments, recruitment activity and formations / tactics in pre-season?

[Siderite]

I think fans would have been frustrated regardless, tbh.

Also, I don’t think fans who made their minds up on friendlies are showing some greater foresight, necessarily, since friendlies are not some foolproof evidence of where the season is going, and some seem more motivated in ‘being proved right’ over anything else. There were some who had the ‘foresight’ to determine Beckford was a dud based on a couple of poor performances at the start of his loan stint and they were wrong. Was it 22-23 when some fans were impressed with our pre-season? Personally, I think it’s best to give it a chance before making any kind of cast iron judgement. There have been some worrying signs with Butler, but it’s pointless discussing removing him right now; it’s still too early.

Ultimately, we have to allow ourselves chance to be wrong, since it’s feasible Butler changes things round. Some may think this is unlikely, but it’s still possible, and we can’t risk a culture of chopping and changing coming in again. I don’t think that will help.

[Iron414]

I think writing off a player based on one or two games is slightly different to making a prediction as to how successful our season will be based on a whole host of factors; management appointments, player incomings and outgoings and the fact our rookie managers formation of choice is one that I’ve never seen work at GP. As for not judging until we’ve given it a chance, we’re 17 games in, whilst that might not be enough to warrant a sacking (for some) it’s certainly enough for opinions to be formed and for fans to comment on.

Whilst I myself have had serious doubts of Butler since his appointment I’d be happy to be proven wrong as it would mean success for my club. The reality though is that is looking less likely as each game goes by and if we leave it too long the league will be gone and we will be faced with another season in NLN which for many of us is a painful thought.

I’m no advocate of chopping and changing.
I was no fan of Dean but never called for his head, even in the post Xmas slump or after play off failure. The difference with Butler is that he was a complete unknown. No managerial experience what-so-ever and part of the JD ‘failure’ team. He was a risk and for me he should never have been given the job so parting ways and appointing an experienced manager would be just putting us back on the track we should have been on from the summer.

[Sharp_Shooter24]

Butlers post match interview with humberside once again went with him stating he won’t throw away what they’ve worked on and change things!

If he does see the light and change it… and, it works then I’m 100% with him but it’s looking unlikely and if he continues down this path then long term he will be his own undoing!!

Final thoughts, if we switch and go 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 then we’ve got a different problem which is the squad!!
We have laws and Roberts as natural wingers other than that NOTHING!!
Maybe Carlton but let’s be honest he’s been an absolute liability so far.

So if he is to change this formation we need to bring in players… namely wingers/forwards

PS
Rodwell = Achieved what? Success where?
For me he’s NOT welcome here!!

[WonderGoals]

Sharp_Shooter24 wrote:

We have laws and Roberts as natural wingers other than that NOTHING!!

Couldn’t agree more. Only way around this problem is to let some CM players out and try and balance the squad. Dire need of a striker too.

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[Siderite]

Iron414 wrote:

I think writing off a player based on one or two games is slightly different to making a prediction as to how successful our season will be based on a whole host of factors; management appointments, player incomings and outgoings and the fact our rookie managers formation of choice is one that I’ve never seen work at GP. As for not judging until we’ve given it a chance, we’re 17 games in, whilst that might not be enough to warrant a sacking (for some) it’s certainly enough for opinions to be formed and for fans to comment on.

Whilst I myself have had serious doubts of Butler since his appointment I’d be happy to be proven wrong as it would mean success for my club. The reality though is that is looking less likely as each game goes by and if we leave it too long the league will be gone and we will be faced with another season in NLN which for many of us is a painful thought.

I’m no advocate of chopping and changing.
I was no fan of Dean but never called for his head, even in the post Xmas slump or after play off failure. The difference with Butler is that he was a complete unknown. No managerial experience what-so-ever and part of the JD ‘failure’ team. He was a risk and for me he should never have been given the job so parting ways and appointing an experienced manager would be just putting us back on the track we should have been on from the summer.

I think prejudging a player isn’t that different, in that both involve kneejerk opinions that don’t take into account for things like a player settling in or players getting used to a system. Sometimes players may get used to a system after a shaky start, so forming certain opinions on games designed to build up fitness is unwise. We have had decent preseasons before only to fail in the league, so having ‘foresight’ from them doesn’t necessarily mean much.

I have said nothing about not commenting on weaknesses shown in the season so far, and have made critical comments myself, but some of the reactions are OTT.

[sugij lim]

I think Michele did a good job. The team had debts and a limited budget.
Coupled with the fact that teams in the National League North are very competitive.
Players of this level demand a fair amount of wages.
Andy has tried his best to make the most of the players he has, who admittedly have limited talent.
I know a bit about Southport. Their team has been well-reinforced this year, especially with the addition of experienced players. Despite their age, they still play well at this level.
I think the goal this year is the playoffs, but I don’t think we’ll get promoted. Andy’s doing his job and he’s doing it pretty well.
Don’t expect good tactics with the players we have because that might make our position in the table worse. I am still confident that we can finish at least 7th.

[64]

Some on here are giving Michelle Harness and Andy Butler more grief than they ever gave the conman and his acolytes. Some from the the moment they took over.its clear that bitterness about being wrong is a more persuasive argument in the modern world than anything else

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