Marks For Referees, Players etc.

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    lesgeolesgeo
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    At the start of the season, I am hoping that we can all come to some sort of consensus on marking players, refs, managers, chairmen etc. All singing from the same team list?

    A number of newspapers/mags dating right back to The People have used a system which sees six as average. A couple of misplaced passes and giving away too many freekicks would still stay as a 6 provided a contribution has been made.

    No half marks – we can never be that precise.

    5 – the mark for a definitely under par performance. It stands out as poorer than the average. eg) both FBs last night would have gained 5s.

    7 – is the mark for something which stands out as good. Typically better than most of the team

    A minimum 90% of the time, these three marks will cover all players in any match.

    If you drop to a 4 – this has overtones of seriously poor whereas
    8 is a typical MOTM performance. A 9 will be a special occurrence whereas there will only be a handful of threes over any half season.
    Below 3 is unbearable to even think about! They can and do occasionally occur.

    Once you start knee jerk reactions way beyond these parameters – it becomes harder to trust the marks.

    (*In case you wondered, I have been a marker and setter in public examinations and have attended many initial agreement trials – to bring markers up to common standards with all the other markers.)

    Must say that the reffing is already looking improved on last year.

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    alcazaralcazar
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    Whilst not wishing to disagree with one so erudite, surely if the marks 1,2,3,9 and 10 aren’t used we might as well use 1-5, with:
    5: outstanding, once in a lifetime, game changing,
    4: mom type performance,
    3: average,
    2: below average,
    1: why was he picked?

    Can I start by rating the Swanns as a big round zero😅

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    #212133
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    You can give swann whatever mark you want Alcy, But it’s lesgeo’s thread let’s stick to his suggestion to keep everyone on the same track.

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    #212134
    bartonscorpionbartonscorpion
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    I have done rating marks on Scunthorpe matches for a few years, and consider them to be fair in general, and probably 90% of my marks fall into the scale talked about by Lesgeo, but in my opinion different supporters have slightly different views on players than other fans, so although it is impossible for all to give the same rating marks, it would also be pointless doing it in the first place.

    For example I gave rating marks of 4 to both Rowe and O’Malley in last nights match, simply because they both had very poor games in my opinion, I class 5 or 6 as average marks, but their performances last night fell lower than average, so a 4 in my opinion suggests that there is room for improvement, so if you do not agree, just please pass on, or issue your own rating marks.
    It is in my opinion very difficult to just use marks of 5-6-7 and 8, I often give a 9, and some times a 4, last night I had two ratings of 4, and just the one rating mark of 9 for the Ref who I thought was outstanding on the night.

    Interesting to read the views of other supporters.

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    #212135
    HeathHeath
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    “At the start of the season, I am hoping that we can all come to some sort of consensus on marking players, refs, managers, chairmen etc. All singing from the same team list?”

    How dull. Posters are not professional markers, this forum is NOT a newspaper or a mag, and is anyone keeping a record of everyone’s marks (are you?). If they are they’ve got some catching up to do because BS is the only one to have provided any marks in 1 out of 3 games!!

    Supporters marks are gut reactions and if players perform like they have no right to have a professional contract, then 0-4 are definitely fair marks.

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    #212136
    lesgeolesgeo
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    I would be perfectly happy to go along with your system, Alcy – it does take out the finer shades but – no matter.
    But all marks in a system based on 10 can still be used. I have given a zero to refs three times but have never given anyone a ten . One day …
    (Bet you did your fair share of initial agreement trials in your day – didn’t you?)
    Not trying to control opinions – rather make sure we understand what we are doing and saying.

    I had predicted the zero you awarded. (Spooky, eh?)

    #212137
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    You can give swann whatever mark you want Alcy, But it’s lesgeo’s thread let’s stick to his suggestion to keep everyone on the same track.

    Les started it, I offered an amendment.
    Isn’t that what the forum is about? Or does the thread starter’s opinion rule?
    If so, I’ve a few more threads up my sleeve which no-one can then be allowed to argue with.
    Good idea Awaywego?

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    #212138
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    I would be perfectly happy to go along with your system, Alcy – it does take out the finer shades but – no matter.
    But all marks in a system based on 10 can still be used. I have given a zero to refs three times but have never given anyone a ten . One day …
    (Bet you did your fair share of initial agreement trials in your day – didn’t you?)
    Not trying to control opinions – rather make sure we understand what we are doing and saying.

    I had predicted the zero you awarded. (Spooky, eh?)

    Not at all.🙂
    Any other mark for them would be odd😄😄

    #212139
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    That’s fine Alcy, may I suggest using letters A to F the same as in A levels.

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    #212140
    mkironMK Iron
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    Have not done any marking for a while as I don’t think marking players on the fairly limited view you get on iFollow is particularly fair.

    For all I know Green might have made 5 killer runs into dangerous positions and not had the ball passed to him. If that was the case he deserves a 6 or 7.

    Based on what he did with the ball on screen he deserves a 4 or 5.

    If I’m at the game then I’m prepared to give my views as you get the full picture. That aside Lesgeo’s comments seem sensible to me but this board is nothing without different opinions.

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    bartonscorpionbartonscorpion
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    So what conclusion do we arrive at, same as Heath says, we are not professional newspaper reporters, as is the fact that these reporters are not professional supporters of the teams that they are reporting on, going back to when the News of the W

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    bartonscorpionbartonscorpion
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    I don’t know what the hell happened there ha ha!, but just to complete that statement, The News of the World reports that they published on a Sunday, I often wondered if their reporters had actually been at some of the matches, so in my opinion, it is nice to read the supporters different views on their teams and players performances.

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    #212149
    bartonscorpionbartonscorpion
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    MK Iron—–I think that the view of matches on IFollower are pretty good mate, and often better than sitting in my old I32 seat in the Cluggy Stand, when having to peer round RSJ roof support columns, surely the cover is good enough to assess what is happening, plus the added input from Mike White and Tom Newey, I am normally in 98% agreement in what they are seeing and saying, they are first class in their views.

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    #212153
    mkironMK Iron
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    Probably just shows we all have different opinions and life would be dull if we didn’t.

    If any other supporter takes their time to post their views and marking on a game, then I will certainly take the time to read them.

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    #212154
    mkironMK Iron
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    There have been more than a few times that I have wished the support columns were much wider BS.

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    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    I know of people who actually went to Sunderland games at the SoL but spent most of the time in the concourse, swilling lager and watching the game on the monitors!

    #212156
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    Probably just shows we all have different opinions and life would be dull if we didn’t.

    If any other supporter takes their time to post their views and marking on a game, then I will certainly take the time to read them.

    Me too, I am most grateful for the insight.

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    bartonscorpionbartonscorpion
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    Les—-I am a bit baffled regarding a couple of things that you have said mate, firstly in your first statement that introduced this topic, you were saying that 90% of rating marks would be covered by 6, 7 or 8 marks and that an odd 5 thrown in, and that this range of marks should cover all ratings, then later you then say that you have issued ZERO marks to three refs, so which one is correct????. Just to add, in my opinion it is not out of the question for a mark of 4 to be given, as an example my two 4 ratings for Rowe and O’Malley, because they both had very poor games against Walsall, and on occasions I feel that a player having an outstanding game should qualify for a 9, just my opinion, but I would think that many football fans will agree with this!!!!.

    #212254
    lesgeolesgeo
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    Actually BS, if that’s how you read it – little wonder that you are confused.
    6 average, 5 below average, 7 above average. Those are the main three.

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