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Why do so many hate Markle, especially on the right?
Answer: because she’s black, confident, arrived at the top, but is proud of her heritage and rejects this country’s ludicrous class system.
Here’s the finest piece of writing we’re likely to read on the topic.
https://royalsuitor.medium.com/will-the-house-of-windsor-turn-into-a-house-of-cards-d344db7076d9
No worse a sight and sound than Nicholas Newton Henshall Witchell pontificating on the BBC about a family that all hate his guts.
Lol at “especially on the right…”
Hate is a very strong word Gurny as I’m sure you know.
I DISLIKE both of them.
Him because he was born to privilege and I don’t believe in that.
Her and him because of the hypocrisy they show in claiming to want privacy, then announcing the pregnancy to billions, and still wanting to live off their fame.Oh, and he’s not royal…🙂
Henry VIII was ginger don’t you know?
As is James Hewitt.
I DISLIKE both of them.
Him because he was born to privilege and I don’t believe in that.
Her and him because of the hypocrisy they show in claiming to want privacy, then announcing the pregnancy to billions, and still wanting to live off their fame.True Alcy, but many so-called celebrities do the same, and Kate is un-royal, yet they don’t attract the public hate/dislike which Meghan does.
This is a class-conscious country, and currently very racist. As a black woman, Meghan is considered beneath the white working-class woman. As such, she is expected to put up, shut up, and support the system, no matter how much she is criticised.
Many white women who lack self-confidence, who keep quiet, conform to the expectations of their class, and support the social hierarchy, intensely dislike Meghan’s confident rejection of its demands, particularly when she entered at the top by marrying a prince.
They are cheered on by the Glenda Slagg columnists of Fleet Street, who expect her to conform and act like Kate Middleton, by keeping her head down so low it’s almost in Australia, as the daughter of a very un-royal air-hostess and party accessories salesman!
Yet, Meghan remains confident, and proud of who she is and where she comes from.
That’s why they dislike her, and that’s why the Sussexes left.
Alternatively, maybe they departed just because they don’t fancy having to sit down with a nonce.
I didn’t realise you were a fan of Hello! magazine Gurney!
The fact that this is getting coverage leads one to wonder what it is the press are trying to deflect attention from.
Could it be Hancock’s contracts cover-up?
Aye, the message is ‘Look over there, there’s a black, female class traitor. She should have stayed here, remembered her place, and taken her punishment.’
‘Hello!’? I prefer ‘Hola!’ because I am really an exiled Spanish torero.
You’re a complete hypocrite, Gurnelista, with your left-wing, self-righteous “it’s all coming from those on the right” accusations claiming it’s because she’s black. If she were white I’ve little doubt you’d be at the front of the queue calling her — and Harry — money-grabbing monsters, with him born into privilege and her exploiting it.
Yet here you are attempting to make political capital out of something that has absolutely nothing whatever to do with the colour of her skin. The really sad thing is that had they stayed part of the Royal family they could be helping to address racism, yet they’ve chosen to make themselves a fortune on the back of nothing more than his birth.
Have you posted your acceptance of racism within the Labour party over the past couple of weeks — I haven’t been on the site for a while? Somehow I doubt it. The evidence is that you’re the racist.
Bloody Spanish fishing in UK waters!
Decent catch mind!”.
There you go, calling somebody a racist again.
“has absolutely nothing whatever to do with the colour of her skin”.
Wrong! You are clearly happy to be liberal with your racist accusations, but completely blind and deaf to the obvious racism shown by the right wing media to her.
Did somebody call somebody a hypocrite? You are also a bit selective in your supposed concern about mental health. Doesn’t the mental health of Harry and Megan matter then?
Hypocrite!!!
The problem we have is that hardly anyone dare say ‘I don’t like Meghan because she’s black / bi-racial, and she dares to challenge our class system by acting like she’s equal to all the other royals’ or ‘I don’t like her because she doesn’t conform to the behavior expected of a black royal’ or ‘I don’t like her because she’s an imposter, so I expect her to shut up and know her place.’
It would sound ridiculous, because it is ridiculous, as are those who think like that. And there are plenty of them. So they find other ways to criticize her.
The Express and Mail are particularly bullying in this respect. That’s because they’re papers read mainly by ‘doffers’, in other words the little people on the right who most support a system of social class.
Here are some examples. Just compare the papers’ different attitudes towards Kate (full of cooing admiration) and Meghan (full of snide bitchiness).
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal
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Ask yourself why this is. Ask yourself why Meghan attracts such bullying and bitchiness.
There’s only one answer, and it’s cuttingly expressed in the article link at the top of this thread.
I don’t suppose it could possibly have pet to do with the FACT that one of them acts like a royal is expected to, whilst the other does not.
Nothing to do with colour.
One shows class, the other, lack of it.
And I don’t mean class as in class system.Pretty much all the royals have failed to behave, Alcy. There’s one currently in trouble for some of the worst crimes – yes, crimes – imaginable, particularly to anyone who has a young daughter.
Yet they have not attracted the same amount of bitchy bullying and public displays of nastiness as MM does.
Again, it begs the question as to why.
Might start calling you Guernica then!
Dear NI, or anyone really….
Serious question… ahem… how did you upload your avatar? Did you do it using the original URL, or did you drag and drop from your computer?
I want to do the latter, but it keeps saying ‘no’.
Any ideas??
Luv n kisses,
Gurney
Gurnelista could prove me wrong by condemning the racism in the Labour party around anti-Semitism, as others have done on this board. He hasn’t to date despite me inviting him to do so on numerous occasions. His silence is deafening and if anyone on here would like to support his position then I’m sure you will. The only conclusion any reasonable person can come to is that Gurnelista is anti-Semitic and racist.
Yet here he is making politically motivated accusations about something for which there is absolutely no evidence. Of course there’ll be plenty of people who criticise Meghan Markle because she’s black because, unfortunately, there are plenty of racist people around. The notion that those who don’t agree with her and Harry for the reasons outlined in the OP, however, are baseless.
What’s more, the idea that other royals haven’t attracted the same amount of bitchy bullying and public displays of nastiness as MM does is totally and utterly false. Just check back on comments about Kate and her ‘common’ background or Fergie, her behaviour and her dad.
The simple truth is that the Royal Family attracts more media coverage and interest than any other family on the planet and the idea that this is all going to be supportive — about any of them — is fanciful and naive.
I’m not defending Gurnelista because there’s no defending necessary. It doesn’t matter who it is. Just because you’ve decided on a one man kangaroo court doesn’t make an accused guilty if they choose to ignore you. To be honest Bucks, I think the only conclusion any reasonable person will come to is that it’s rather pointless.
Oh, thanks for explaining that, Deerey. Are you racist as well?
May be not racist but deardrie has to keep up with his friends on here
In another post of evidence-free bitterness and bovine fury, BI wrote:
“The notion that those who don’t agree with her and Harry for the reasons outlined in the OP, however, are baseless.”
This sentence makes no sense. The next two are better, but wrong.
“What’s more, the idea that other royals haven’t attracted the same amount of bitchy bullying and public displays of nastiness as MM does is totally and utterly false. Just check back on comments about Kate and her ‘common’ background or Fergie, her behaviour and her dad.”
It’s wrong because the papers quickly shut up about Kate’s background when they saw William was serious about her. Most press were intrigued by the idea of a commoner.
But, it was very different with Ferguson and her dad. She’d been having an affair. He’d had been with prostitutes. So it’s no surprise they got a broadside. Yet, just look at the gushing treatment the Mail affords him now!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-172178/A-tribute-colourful-life.html
It’s the usual double standards. The media certainly like to bully the women. MM is guilty of nothing except being herself, yet receives worse than any of the above!
And BI simply comments “The simple truth is that the Royal Family attracts more media coverage and interest than any other family on the planet and the idea that this is all going to be supportive — about any of them — is fanciful and naive.”
Read the coverage given to both in the links above. See the difference in treatment from the same papers. Ask yourself why it exists.
Strangely, and despite some pretty appalling behaviour over the years by the monarchy, there have been hardly any calls for either its reform or abolition from the low-born, grovelling columnists, like Gove’s wife in the Mail, or from lickspittle members of the public, like Bucksiron on here. That suggests they’re happy with how it currently is – old fashioned, dysfunctional and perpetuating a ludicrous class system in which it’s ‘open season’ on those whose faces do not fit.
Oh, and Bucksiron, you ask about Labour and anti-Semitism. I have no idea if they have dealt with it adequately or not. I hope so, but you should make up your own mind. Or, ask someone with party connections and report what they said.
You could always vote for the Greens if you’re not happy with Labour. Or try Lib-Dem. But luckily we aren’t stuck with political parties like we are with the royals.
I admire the way Harry and Megan have decided to go their own way and create a life for themselves and their family away from the royals, the more the merrier. The sooner more of the royal decide to go it alone the better, once Phil the Greek and Lizzy Dripping have departed this mortal coil it may well signal a decline in this royal obsession that has held us all back from becoming a fairer nation for all. Good on em and as for the Tory press who gives a shit, just get on with your own lives and tell the press to FOFF, the Yanks will embrace them even more as the years go by and hopefully the royal family become less relevant world wide. Oh and we should disband the house of Lords too.
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Excellent summary I-A.
It all goes back 300+ years when the original “Tory” party believed in the Divine Right of Kings.
Outdated ideals, like much of their policies.
That’s a very defensive post, Gurny. None of the data I’ve seen on the media coverage provides an “apples vs apples” comparison. For that you’d have to compare all the negative media coverage about Kate with all the negative media coverage about Meghan. Provide that and you might have a point. Otherwise you’re simply reflecting your opinion, which is absolutely fine but isn’t fact as you’re claiming.
Your claims about the Royal Family are also extraordinarily simplistic. I’ve never been a ‘royalist’ but strongly believe the Royal Family is good for the UK, from the massive revenue they bring from tourism, for which there is extremely strong evidence, to the stability they bring to our form of government. Of course things aren’t perfect — I wouldn’t claim they are — but they’re still better than the alternatives.
As for behaving badly, what’s happened in the USA over the past four years is hardly a great example of the alternatives and there are numerous other examples of republican governments behaving every bit as badly as members of our Royal Family.
Regarding Meghan and Harry “deciding to go their own way” and “creating a life for themselves”, that’s a ridiculous statement. What they’re doing is nothing more than exploiting the privilege of Harry’s birth and making a fortune on the back of it. What’s so sad is that Meghan could have made a huge difference in the fight against racism, but the lure of celebrity and money appears more important. The fact she’s black is irrelevant — indeed, she was extremely popular before all of this happened.
As for anti-Semitism in the Labour party, Gurnelista, I’m very happy with the position that Starmer’s taken and believe he deserves a lot of credit for taking it. My question is whether you’re happy with it and your answer is evasive, which is pretty sad given your self-righteous, holier-than-thou position on everything. However, it doesn’t surprise me.
BI, first a point about research.
Comparing all the negative coverage about MM and KM wouldn’t be sufficient. It would be useless because it would be too general. For example, one of them could genuinely deserve negative coverage in a case where she had said or done something genuinely stupid, e.g like Fergie’s dad used to do, and it wouldn’t be indicative of bias at all.
You get a much better indication of bias by comparing coverage of similar events, such as a wedding, Christmas, or attitudes towards their finances. And that’s what’s been shown here, and why the bias, hypocrisy and double standards are there for all to see.
You evidently know very little about this kind of research.
Moving on, your apparent concern for anti-semitism clashes with your repeated scorn for ‘woke’. It’s as false as forty arseholes.
You don’t care about racism. You’re not woke at all. ‘Woke’ means believing in social and racial justice, in feminism, in environmental protection. It’s just translating some core beliefs found in many religions and in common decency into everyday attitudes and values.
But you’re against all this. You attack ‘woke’ and what it stands for. You’d rather put our faith in liars. But you’re not alone in this. Several on here apparently enjoy being conned and lied to, and revel in going against their own interests. Why? Apparently, it’s because it upsets other folk who don’t like liars and conmen.
Just imagine – actually taking pleasure in hurting yourself, your friends and your family, simply because it annoys someone!
Seems to me this is the ‘Rosetta Stone’ of understanding the country and its politics today, especially Brexit Britain, and how we got here.
Meanwhile BI, you’re spending your days until late at night, anxiously waiting by your computer for posts from people you don’t even know.
My diagnosis is that it’s clearly a form of disturbance, and over time it could manifest as a physical disease. The recommendation is that you get a vaccine double-quick, not just a Covid one, but one which opens your mind and saves you from your own petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness, so you can ignore whatever it is that has made you like this, and look forward to a happy, healthy future.
Now, there can be no doubt that, were she to read this in her boudoir, amid a selection of spring-scented candles and toiletries, Meghan Markle would give a confident, radiant smile and nod in quiet agreement, as she reclines relaxed and elegant, in a super-chic outfit created to satisfy the most exacting fashionista….
Not sure how Harry can help his birth history and if he can make his own living off that as part of his new life abroad then good luck to him and his wife. As for making a fortune from his background I thought you of all people Buck’s would applaud that, it’s a proper Tory trait of making your way in the world. Your sneering portrayal of Harry and his wife is typical of your attitude to anything that may be seen as anti establishment, I’m sorry to say that looking down your nose at people in general is one of your greatest strengths when it comes to posting on this forum. What a sad individual you are, let’s hope the gradual lifting of lockdown provides you with the healing you obviously need.
He had already provided examples!
I know you’re a Tory but that doesn’t give you a God given right to ignore evidence and say the same points over and over again like a rambling sweaty rabid Nadhim Zahawi.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal
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Ooh goody, a Beavis & Butthead rerun!
Hmm nobody sticking up for you at the moment perhaps they realise
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