Mandelson

[64]

someone who worships money and dress it up in the garb of public service. This guy has a £10 million home & is staying in multi million dollar apartment of world’s now most famous paedo while claiming to be a socialist? A social democrat?
He’d be castigated and thrown out if he was a “lefty,” or talked about films with a film producer. St Keith’s pal of of paedos and Russian money

[billpuntonsghost]

..Don’t you understand the “new left”?
Wolfie Smith is just a figment of your imagination.

[Iron-awe]

Wolfie and Jesus have something in common after all then.

[Siderite]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

..Don’t you understand the “new left”?
Wolfie Smith is just a figment of your imagination.

You’re not going to convince 64 by calling Starmer or Mandelson left wing.

I am not fond of Mandelson or any involvement of his in Labour, but he is a peripheral figure at the moment. It doesn’t have to be some fiendish left wing element as to why this is, and the right have room to talk given their own associations and corruption too.

[64]

Peripheral? Company line and sinker,

[64]

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— Saul Staniforth (@SaulStaniforth) June 22, 2023

[Siderite]

I like the idea that cranky anti-Semites like Ken are absolutely ridiculous to shun.

[Iron Age]

Just to put things into perspective, does sympathy for the plight of Palestinians automatically make one an anti semite?

Seems to me that no one is standing up for them.

[Siderite]

Ken Loach has more than once made comments which appear to be questioning the Holocaust and the numbers, dismissing Holocaust survivors for being Zionists (to dismiss their opinion on Jewish rights) when they put forward their case, blamed Jews for deaths in the Holocaust and called for Labour MPs to be expelled for attending anti-Semitism protests. Goodness knows what that has to do with standing for Palestinian rights. If Palestinian rights is dependent on that, it needs a severe rethink.

[Iron Age]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/05/ken-loach-i-give-no-legitimacy-to-holocaust-denial

As a person that has always rooted for the underdog I find the accusations against certain people very uncomfortable, especially when they eminate from the Tories, that great institute for protecting minorities.
It’s of no great surprise that survivors of the Holocaust polarised to Labour knowing the history of the Conservative party.
Have they been let down, possibly, but when I hear the puritanical attacks by Tories on discrimination it’s very hard to swallow.
The whole question has been used to gain political advantage, it leaves a bad taste, I can’t believe any of them.

[Siderite]

That’s all very well and good, but it doesn’t excuse him saying the Holocaust is up for questioning (or clarifying a febrile comment) or the other comments.

It’s not about Tories, but Jews, and the majority have issues with many leftists. Fat load of good that does them, as they get ignored and Jews will say the same about these leftists as you have done about Tories. Also, I am not a Tory and have never voted for them in my life, so can sleep happily in accusations considering the Tories’ record.

You only have to look at the Glastonbury film pulling. Not only was it named the same as a Nazi quote, it involved many accusing Glastonbury bowing to Jewish pressure. Even Billy Bragg got piled on for saying the Jewish element was ridiculous, which got them angry at Bragg for being a ‘Zionist’ agent. When criticised for this, the attackers all say that they’re not being anti-Semitic (these accusations cheapen it apparently), they are just criticising Israel. Same for art with face huggers strangling the statue of liberty with the star of David on, murals containing gross caricatures of Jews, platforming Holocaust deniers, waving of Hezbollah flags and more. It’s not good enough, no matter what the Tories do. Loach, Waters and others could not care less about Jew hatred and the party or ideology they belong to matters little.

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[64]

No Catholics in Labour now?

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