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    by the size of him I wouldn’t want to get in a fight with him, should be in the WWE.

    but he is right what he said.

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    I think neither got it right.

    2 crap teams that due to the others incompetence each managed to create 4 good chances. They scored 2 of theirs and we missed all 4 of ours.

    We played a bit more football on isolated occasions whilst they picked up almost every loose ball in midfield (of which there were many).

    Both managers should be very concerned about their teams.

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    You’re right about that MK Iron. “Loose balls in midfield”. This is down Daws, to our being too lightweight in midfield. If he doesn’t get it now he never will. Five at the back and losing most games and short in midfield. Feel sorry for Beeston and Butterfield, who should be pushing further forward, but can’t due to Daw’s tactics. This is his third go at managing the 1st team znd HD just can’t do it. Also what young players has he brought through the youth team during the last ten years or so who have been good enough to make it. In my opinion he has become too comfortable in his position and if we get new owners it will be time for a full clear-out.

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    Also what young players has he brought through the youth team during the last ten years or so who have been good enough to make it

    I text in to the radio to suggest that his record has been really poor. I didn’t hear Matt Dean’s response, but apparently he said I was being harsh! I stand by what I said. You could count them on one hand.

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    I asked (on here) for a Daws defender to list regular first teamers produced by his team. The request went unanswered. If MD has accused you of being harsh then ask him the same question to justify his response.

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    “Deluded” said the Maidstone chap.

    Daws is ‘fighting for his life’ (you’d think 🤔) as the Academy funding stops after the second year out of the EFL.

    No funding = no Academy (you’d think 🤔)

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    Don’t blame him ,kept his head down and kept his job,what should be questioned is the number of managers who have been here either taking no interest or seeing the lack of quality being produced by the youth set up.They may be skilful footballers but seem to lack the physical strength required for lower league football.

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    Academies don’t work.
    Too many poor players just making the numbers up so as clubs can put a team out for the one or two ‘half decent’ players that they might have.
    Applies from the top of the pyramid down to the bottom of L2.
    Look to see how many first team players came through that clubs own Academy. Very, very few.
    The big boys bring their ‘junior galacticos’ from overseas in as Apprentices – releasing their local boys who might have been there since age 6 or 7.
    These released players then drop down to a smaller Championship club.
    The Championship clubs then clear their decks and their released players turn up at L1 & L2 clubs.
    Get released from a L2 Academy… where do you go?
    End of the line!
    They’ve created an ‘industry’ – jobs for the boys – old school network.
    Let’s face it, most lower league clubs only run an Academy for the funding.

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    I asked (on here) for a Daws defender to list regular first teamers produced by his team. The request went unanswered. If MD has accused you of being harsh then ask him the same question to justify his response.

    Levi Sutton the only one who’s gone onto have any kind of league career I’d say.

    Callum Howe and O’Malley to lesser extent

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    O’Malley was signed from Huddersfield for the U23’s I believe.

    In regards to the academy, doesn’t the funding get slashed in half next year due to our relegation to the national league ?

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    Kyle Wootton – had to go to upper National League to kick-start his career. Now doing very well at Stockport County.

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    Kyle Wootton – had to go to upper National League to kick-start his career. Now doing very well at Stockport County.

    Vernam, Godden, Canavan, Adelakun, Muldoon, Dawson, Rose

    There may be more?

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    After 17 years there should be!!

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    After 17 years there should be!!

    Agreed – but it’s pretty much the same at every club.
    Very, very few Academy players make the grade at their original club.
    🤷‍♂️🙇‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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    I think Matt Dean probably meant that you need to look at the wider social and personal benefits of academies, rather than just the miniscule chance of a player signing a professional contract. For example, teaching youngsters to keep fit and active, as well as learning basic transferable skills like following instructions, learning how to deal with setbacks, empathising with others and so on, ‘soft’ skills but important ones, which will stay with them a lifetime.

    Many of the kids passing through academies aren’t the most successful at school and often come from disadvantaged families where these skills aren’t sufficiently developed. But, learning them through football gives them a chance to grow in ways they may not have done otherwise.

    Clubs have a broader social and sporting responsibility to their communities than just providing a match every other Saturday. This was part of sport’s original mission, before it became a business. Academies are one way in which they still fulfil these, and as such they’re a valuable community asset.

    Importance of Football Academies

    https://www.wemakefootballers.com/news/the-social-benefits-of-football-for-children

    Top 10 Benefits of Football Camps for a Child’s Development

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    The big clubs at the western end of the M62 do all right.

    There’s a certain Man Utd forward presently sunning himself in Qatar that did okay coming up through the ranks.

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    Another half decent one doing the same, from the same city but plays for the better club compared to Rashford.

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    How much did each club spend to produce their one player?

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    I think Matt Dean probably meant that you need to look at the wider social and personal benefits of academies, rather than just the miniscule chance of a player signing a professional contract. For example, teaching youngsters to keep fit and active, as well as learning basic transferable skills like following instructions, learning how to deal with setbacks, empathising with others and so on, ‘soft’ skills but important ones, which will stay with them a lifetime.

    Many of the kids passing through academies aren’t the most successful at school and often come from disadvantaged families where these skills aren’t sufficiently developed. But, learning them through football gives them a chance to grow in ways they may not have done otherwise.

    Clubs have a broader social and sporting responsibility to their communities than just providing a match every other Saturday. This was part of sport’s original mission, before it became a business. Academies are one way in which they still fulfil these, and as such they’re a valuable community asset.

    Importance of Football Academies

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    https://www.wemakefootballers.com/news/the-social-benefits-of-football-for-children

    Top 10 Benefits of Football Camps for a Child’s Development

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    Disadvantaged? Not around Scunthorpe… have you seen the cars parked up on Sunday mornings?
    It’s very much a middle class domain nowadays.

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    How much did each club spend to produce their one player?

    Whatever it was is nothing in comparison to the transfer fee either club would receive for either player if they were sold, plus the wealth they will bring into the club for winning trophies or selling merchandize will swallow up their cost as an academy player easily.

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    How much did each club spend to produce their one player?

    Whatever it was is nothing in comparison to the transfer fee either club would receive for either player if they were sold, plus the wealth they will bring into the club for winning trophies or selling merchandize will swallow up their cost as an academy player easily.

    They sunk £200 million in to their (then) new academy site in 2014.

    How much have they spent since?

    How much is the annual wage bill for their gargantuan staff model?

    How much is Foden worth?

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    The difference is investment that pays long term, I appreciate you need the big bucks but football sold itself off a long time ago.

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    Man City = NASA’s ORION Space Craft

    SUFC = Berkeley Primary School’s paper aeroplanes.

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    Don’t forget all the ‘big club’ academy graduates that get a couple of meaningless first team games and are then sold for a few million.

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    Exactly!
    It’s a ‘trickle down’ model.
    Very few make the grade at their original club.
    They drop down and join a club of lesser Premier League standing or drop down to the Championship.
    Foden… who else has made their first team?
    They are deep in the red.

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    Is it better to spend nothing and produce nothing?

    Or

    Spend £500m and produce a Foden who’s possibly valued at £125m?

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    How many clubs do Man City want to own worldwide?
    How many coaching / development centres do they have around the world?

    https://www.espn.co.uk/football/blog-the-toe-poke/story/4694954/man-city-owners-city-football-group-take-over-11th-club-how-much-success-have-they-had-around-the-world?platform=amp

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    It’s because football is a business and their owners have embraced that, yes it goes against the traditional grain but times have moved on and football isn’t immune from big business and greed, it is what it is. Manchester City are on the way to being a mega global brand and having a foothold in other countries with a similar footprint to their English set-up is the result. Don’t see why it bothers you unless your a frustrated Man U fan who hates the competition, get used to it because it’s not going away and since the Premier League was formed it’s unfortunately what it’s all about these days. Money money money, Abba warned us years ago but we ignored them and the money men took our beautiful game away and made it theirs, clubs like us are still important locally but that’s about it and if Scunthorpe United go bang tomorrow it will barely make a national headline and then only for a day or so.

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    It didn’t cost £200m to find Foden or Rashford. The lads were out there all along. It needed someone to pick them out and a team of coaches to develop the raw talent.

    The Manchester/Merseyside conurbation is a big one though, much bigger than Scunny’s sphere of influence so perhaps it’s not surprising really.

    Bigger clubs attract better coaches (possibly because they can pay higher wages). Scunthorpe has perennially opted for ex-players. I suspect most lower league clubs do likewise.

    Hence stagnation. No fresh approach or ideas. And that’s what we’re experiencing now, and have been for years.

    We have been plodding along making no progress at all. And that’s the case from the academies through to the first team, via the coaching staff.

    We’ll get nowhere without a complete clear-out, starting with the owner. But we all know how likely that is!

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