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I don’t know if he has lost the dressing room, but certainly lost the supporters
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I don’t know if he has lost the dressing room, but certainly lost the supporters
Rarely a way back for a manager when this happens, and it certainly happened on Saturday.
I honestly don’t know what the answer is, we have the same conversation every 9 months and always take a step backwards.
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Come home Sir Nigel. Walking is great
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Am as unhappy as you lot ..but will be amazed if he’s not given til New Year. By then we’ll know if its coming right with new signings and returnees. It may well be that Curzon will be uncatcheable by then ..who knows. A big and expensive gamble to change it in this next fortnight. I don’t see it happening.
Agree .. IMO the BovD will give AB til new year and he will in turn stick to his / Scoffs chosen system yet manage to scramble a few points here n there playing woefully boring football be in the top 10 places thus be here until the end of the season at which point the board will act.
NOW is the right time to act but just cant see it happening.
Not be surprised to see Curzon do a Tamworth and create gap… alas that wont really effect Scunny as will be just fighting for the last play off spot or mid table obscurity and 2k crowds.
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Players must be getting pissed off being forced to play a system that clearly doesnt suit them or is working, in fact its damaging the careers of some of them if anything and i would be a bit surprised if there hasnt been whispers and rumblings of discontent.
I do get the impression that quite possibly the players that came in during Hiltons brief traumatic reign and scatter gun approach to signings are just playing out a contract and most will leave in 2025, i think only Scales has extended maybe one other the rest will depart first being Roberts.
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We must remember that most of the players who ply their trade in the NLN are not playing higher up the football pyramid for a reason, and it isn’t the cash in NLN. Players at this level of the football ecosystem are prone to making mistakes and, are likely not too familiar with playing what might be for them, complicated formations and tactics.
The result of this means that players can and do attempt to lift their performances up to meet the demands of the system, however, as is the way with all humans, when under pressure they resort to type. This explains why players can go from looking comfortable with a formation, to suddenly struggling to string three passes together.
At the start of the season most teams hadn’t worked out how to play against us. After a few weeks and a few injuries to key players, the opposition have managed to find ways to put the team under pressure and we are seeing in real time, the players switching to type.
A poor manager will keep on pressing ahead with a system that isn’t working for the players he has available. A great manager will find a system that works with the players he has available. Unfortunately for us, it seems that Butler is currently committed to playing the system that clearly is not working.
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What a curse that early MOM has proved to be. Won that with a back 5 so that has fixed it in AB’s mind as the way to succeed.
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A poor manager will keep on pressing ahead with a system that isn’t working for the players he has available. A great manager will find a system that works with the players he has available. Unfortunately for us, it seems that Butler is currently committed to playing the system that clearly is not working.
That was why Michael Nelson should have been left alone, but relegation was the aim so he had to go.
Nelson had just developed a system with what he had and he didn’t have much and sometimes less than he thought. Never mind all his travelling each day was the most organised we had been for several seasons.
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Take on board what you’re saying SOD. At least you speak from the coaching world.
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So you’re saying the players aren’t good enough to adapt to playing different formations (as any player always should be) and some are playing out their top dollar contracts but you also think Butler / Schofield are the problem? All bases covered there. There’s a desperation to aportion blame for this terrible form and performances but I doubt anyone really knows how to fix it. But that doesn’t stop the supposed certainty of many claims.
One of the main problems why this has got to the stage it has is poor communication. Between the club and the supporters and Butler and the supporters.
The club clearly stated before this season that the aim was promotion and they thought we had the squad to do it. People bought season tickets on the back of this and are fully behind supporting the team to win the league. Promotion from this league is winning it, there’s no point talking about the playoffs as that is a lottery which currently more than half the teams in the league could feasibly end up in the playoff final and have a chance.
The club also got rid of Dean and appointed Butler and he said quite clearly that he understood the remit was promotion, we were going to be the fittest team in the league etc. Then suddenly Turnbull is sacked with a terse statement to inform us, we’ve got no idea what that was really about.
Nobody is under any illusion, after last season, that this league is shite and we’re going to see some horrible games and even lose some but with some half decent players and supposedly full time supreme fitness, I think we all expected to watch the team have a good crack at winning every game and be good enough defensively to prevent most other teams from scoring. Instead we’re either watching dozens of missed chances followed by horrendous defensive mistakes or squaring up for 98 minutes of head tennis with teams like Alfreton.6 users thanked author for this post.
Nobody is under any illusion, after last season, that this league is shite and we’re going to see some horrible games
There were some mumbles and grumbles when we were on good form for the first month or so. However, that was the standard fayre for football at this level; realistically, we’re not going to play like Barcelona in NLN and winning at this level usually requires making the least amount of defensive errors, capitalising on opposition’s errors and physicality in midfield. SODIron raises valid points, I think, and Butler, like with Dean, doesn’t seem to know how to play with a plan B.
It worked at first, before opposition could find ways to adapt, but since then it has been poor and we need something to change. Unfortunately, nothing has and Butler seems unwilling to and his interviews where he insists his way is best doesn’t give the best impression that things will change.
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Firstly you can forget about the Admiral. He’s got a better job back here in the NE.
Secondly I’m with RB on this one. Michelle gambled on Butler back in the summer. He was already on the payroll, so was a cheap option. Maybe he was given a certain number of games to get us top of the table with the promise of a renegotiated contract? Just a guess, I have no idea really.
But he was part of the coaching staff under Dean, so in effect part of the problems we had last season. The appointment of Schofield now looks to have worsened the situation rather than improve it.
Add to this the fact that we have lost our kingpin in midfield and two other decent players in Elliot and Ogle and it’s probably not surprising that we now rely on Roberts’s goals and Fitzsimmons’s saves to earn us points.
Butler is looking like he was the wrong person for the job in the first place, but hey-ho! Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Any appointment is a gamble NI. None have been a success since Alexander. And, any squad missing pivotal players like a Roberts would struggle.
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To be fair Michelle’s story about Butler’s contract doesn’t really add up, surely if the chairman offers you the managers job you don’t just take it without one especially as it was during close season when he would have looked for something else without that certainty.
Nice story all the same and got her off the hook when everyone one was in dismay, whether true or not.
I’d imagine, as he was already employed and presumably had some sort of employment contract, and presumably as they all trust each other, he was appointed as team manager and they all just carried on working until they got round to sorting a new ‘manager’ one out.
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