it’s a bout time we let the rest of the Middle east defend itself against Israel,if it wants to bomb other nation then we should stop backing this rogue state.
At the moment they are behaving like the shitty little brother annoying everyone because he knows his big brother will step in to protect him if the cuff him
Yeah I’m pining for him,straight out of the Tommy Robinson playbook,no doubt they were “protecting kids” you love a good Muslim slaughter don’t you?. Are you seriously suggesting that murde is good.I bet you’d love a good Israeli carpet bombing of London if it killed one man accused?
It was a precision strike in this case, so it wasn’t a carpet bomb, but why let the truth get in the way of slander, eh? It’s funny how you bemoan ‘smearing’ but seem happy with doing it yourself. But, no, I am not upset about the death of someone who brought war and misery to Israelis and Palestinians. Seemingly you don’t particularly care about that. You’re more bothered about the death of a loon who launched mass rapes and killings and said he wanted more ‘martyrs’ for his death cult. So, no, I don’t care about his passing as much as I wouldn’t have Reinhard Heydrich, but that means I support Muslim slaughter because I don’t want someone to slaughter others or cause others to be slaughtered.
As for Tommy Robinson, your bigoted assumptions suit him entirely.
None, because I applauded zero. I have said many a time that Israel is acting like the US in the war on terror, which should be a signal that I don’t think the response is right. However, deflect all you like because you’re upset about an Islamist being targeted with no collateral damage in this instance in a regional war already sparked by Iran.
Where do I bemoan the death of a terrorist? How far is OK for “surgical ” strikes, Rome? Brussels? Paris? London?.Which borders are Israel allowed to cross?
Evil USA took Osama out in Pakistan too. If countries harbour massacring war criminals and start a war this is likely. I don’t give a rat’s arse about lunatic Islamists who start pogroms and call for martyrs to give their lives while they hoard wealth in their mansions. It may be an unwise tactical decision, I am no expert, but I don’t give a hoot about this as I wouldn’t have done with Reinhard Heydrich when the Czechoslovaks got him. Yet you seem to think this is an outrage, but were noticably not so about Oct 7th undertaken by Iranian proxies and think a response to a consequence is to sympathise with Iran for ‘defending itself’. And, no I don’t give a damn about saying you bemoan terrorists when you just launch slander after slander.
Frankly, I don’t think you have a clue about the situation. Iranian proxies in Lebanon have been launching missiles at Israel for months, then one struck a playground with Druze children in last week. This is a response to that, so to come on and speak of how evil Israel is causing the escalations shows at best an ignorant understanding. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that recent attacks on poor Hamas and allied loons has come after that. It may be unwise, I am not an expert, but it’s impossible to separate from the actions of Iran and its proxies. It’s ridiculous to wail with outrage when Israel respond when you say sod all on how Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran have engaged themselves in this conflict too. You, in this thread, posted that you understand countries like Iran ‘defending’ itself when it is an aggressor. It’s this which makes me take a dim view, because you don’t seem to acknowledge any of that and makes me think you have a huge bias and I could say more, but I don’t want to inflame things further.
None of this means I think there aren’t huge issues with Israel’s conduct. I am aware and horrified by the recent serious and credible allegations of torture of Palestinian detainees. As with the response for some right wing Israelis to rush in and protect suspects from facing retribution. The continued re-evacuations of Palestinians shows a military campaign that isn’t working in its objectives, the ransacking of homes is terrible and there have been cases where there have been catastrophic errors in judgement over targets and that is condemnable. The best solution is of course a ceasefire, but it has to be a realistic one and there have been ones accepted by Israel presented to Hamas, but all get rejected or given demands in return that won’t work. Yet the ‘peace lovers’ never care about that.
This war needs a mutual solution, because the acts on Oct 7th and continued missile fire from Hezbollah and action by Hamas cannot be just forgotten or erased. That’s what started the war and the solution to it needs to be found (release of hostages being key) A ceasefire without unconditional release of hostages is unworkable. For any chance of long term peace Israel will need to change in so many ways, include dispensing the deplorable Netanyahu and Ben-Gvir lot, as well as settler action in the West Bank, among other things. However, similarly, Palestinian groups like Hamas will need to abandon ‘resistance’ and dreams of destroying Israel, inducting its adherents into a martyrdom cult that convinces them that they can die for the cause and mutual cooperation. There have been wrongs committed by both, but I am more bothered about the claims of torture of detainees than Hamas leaders being targeted in Iranian compounds and the like when Iran is itself an aggressor. It’s not the same as taking them out in neutral British territory, since we are not an aggressor in this war. My own disgust in the actions of Hamas is because they have created this war and how that impacts Palestinians, so no I don’t think my anger based on them for creating this horrible situation is remotely like Tommy, who won’t care no matter the slander.
Just repeating Gurney’s line of questioning , 64. How many deaths blah ..blah …blah. I was waiting for your outrage at the Hizbullah rocket killing ten Israeli Druze children. Maybe you’ve been too upset to post? Maybe not. Face it … either you just hate Israel .or you’re simply too lazy to widen your perspective and get informed. The old victim/ oppressor narrative saves such a lot of effort.
I’ll be outraged when my government back Hizbullah to the hilt ,as far as I can see they rightly prescribe them but not Israel,so I’ll keep my line of questioning going and be sickened by people backing this murderoys state
We can still be upset and outraged when a non-western aligned force commits atrocities. Sadness should not be dependent on who’s allied to whom. It seems rather isolationist to set our outrage to whatever the the UK and its allies does and refuse to care otherwise. I think it’s better to find a solution that can lead to more likely peace. It’s not about ‘sides’, it’s about finding a workable solution and just focussing on Israel (and vice versa) will solve nothing. UK stops giving the very little military aid provides and peace won’t happen. We cease our alliance and nothing will change. Israel stops and nothing will happen if nothing with Iran and its proxies changes. Israel removes Netanyahu and becoming more liberal will do little if Hamas and ‘resistance’ continues because there is a refusal to even entertain the existence of Israel in this scenario. It may suit some to say we’re not supporting Israel, if we were to abandon, but there would still be pain on both sides and it would still be horrible.
Myopia and tunnel visioning on the ‘evil west’ just leads to bias and excusing of whatever the non-western aligned side does, even when it’s important to the issue. It’s not about finding a solution, it’s about attacking whatever the ‘evil west’ does.
Just repeating Gurney’s line of questioning , 64. How many deaths blah ..blah …blah. I was waiting for your outrage at the Hizbullah rocket killing ten Israeli Druze children. Maybe you’ve been too upset to post? Maybe not. Face it … either you just hate Israel .or you’re simply too lazy to widen your perspective and get informed. The old victim/ oppressor narrative saves such a lot of effort.
If the reports on the news are correct they were not “Israeli Druze”, they were Syrian Druze living in the occupied Golan Heights.
The Druze have been offered Israeli citizenship but most refused. They still identify as being Syrian.
All killing is wrong, but I am confused when Netenyahu can accuse his enemies of killing children in the occupied Golan Heights and at the same time doing exactly the same in the occupied West Bank.
Should he offer citizenship and equal rights to the Palestinians in the West Bank? Would that be a pathway towards peace and reconciliation?
For Druze in the Golan Heights that is the case, but those outside do predominantly identify as Israeli. They tend to be quite pro-Israel too in the rest of Israel.
There are issues with settlers causing issues in the West Bank, and ultimately I think a two state solution would be necessary for peace and reconciliation. Though, there is a slight difference in that Netanyahu would say that he isn’t directly ordering killing in the West Bank, since most of the issues comes from mobs not acting on specific government orders. However, that doesn’t erase concerns of how Netanyahu and the Likudists are encouraging actions there and seem powerless and unwilling to stop it. Hezbollah, however, deliberately launched such missiles which killed Druze.
Fair point about Golan Druze, Iron Age …but a little oversimplified. The Druze of Mt Carmel and other areas are loyal to Israel and are very prominent in the IDF…as are the Bedouin of the Negev. I met my son in law’s Druze commander at my daughters wedding 12 years ago and it was very enlightening. The Golan Druze have been reticent about accepting Israeli nationality mainly out of fear of consequences should the Golan revert back to Syria. In recent years the younger ..and not so younger .. generation have looked at their surroundings and increasingly signed up for both Israeli nationality and the IDF.
My point was the one sided and blinkered responses by such as 64 who had nothing to say about the tragedy of the Druze kids. It’s so easy to pick a side and then beat the drum. I simply asked why.
Is it laziness and ignorance or …just Israel/ Jew hatred? My own flesh and blood are on the line in this conflict and it’s galling, even nauseating, to read the shallow and uninformed opinions of some posters who display no real knowledge and even less real empathy for ALL those involved.
I think many posters find your own biased stance towards a government / military operation bent on killing thousands of unarmed civilians and in flagrant contravention of international law, beyond nauseating.
You seem to think you deserve a free pass on this because you’ve allegedly got family involved. But you don’t, because like many deeply religious folk, your political opinions are based not on facts and reason, but on feelings, falsehoods and misunderstandings garnered from unreliable news sources (as we’ve seen many times before) which serve to reinforce your own prejudices.
In any case, you won’t give a figure on a sufficient number of deaths before you’d call a halt to the massacre, so presumably the IDF should go on and on, ethnically cleansing the region of all the women, children and babies and other unarmed, non-combatants. Worse, you don’t care if it’s bombs, bullets, disease or starvation that kills them, as long as others pull the trigger.
It’s beyond morally abhorrent. There are thousands of Israelis who think so too, just as there are thousands of Palestinians who don’t support Hamas.
Instead of berating other posters for not sharing your own blinkered, violent, war-mongering, you’d do well to consider your own armchair support for this vicious regime, instead of allowing yourself to become a monstrous advertisement for ‘faith’, particularly the Jewish variety.
If ever I find myself missing you Gurney then all I have to do is post and out you slither, tongue flickering and spouting venom .. ‘free pass … deeply religious… ethnic cleansing … you don’t care… a monstrous advertisement for faith …blah…blah…blah.’ The master of projection and self deception. My answer to Iron Age is factual, reasonable and unbiased. Most of all its respectful. All alien concepts to you my nasty, bigoted friend.
Aye, judging his own posts now! Another sign of desperation.
You aren’t angry with my post JI, you’re angry with yourself, and well you should be, attempting to dignify the unspeakable acts of the IDF.
Doesn’t your bible say something about forgiveness? C’mon, what would Jesus say about forgiveness? Would he be on a spree to murder those women and kids? What about your Lord’s Prayer? Go easy on your knees, oh, and eat more nuts.
You will be accused of making it personal now Gurney but the patronising rhetoric aimed at you, particularly your flickering tongue, spouting venom and let’s not forget the way you come out slithering is apparently perfectly acceptable. I believe JI is a reborn Bucks in disguise. Lol.
If my post isn’t reasonable and unbiased then it doesn’t get posted. It’s a standard I set myself.
I’m happy to call out nasty, venomous lines of attack masquerading as discourse with the use of metaphor. I think the snake imagery is appropriate.
You’re welcome.
Judging yourself by your own standards is no recommendation as is believing everything you post is appropriate, however if that is your own personal yardstick I’m sure others will make up their own minds about you. Believing in God doesn’t make you right BTW
It’s the character of an individual that counts for everything. Telling the truth and standing on their convictions. Jackals hunt in packs and get their bearings from one another.
“It’s the character of an individual that counts for everything”.True.
When the character of a person is wrongly identified, the perpetrator shouldn’t just say,”get over it”. Don’t you agree,JI?
.
