Labour adverts

[Siderite]

These leave a sour taste in my mouth. Just because the Tories have engaged in gutter politics* it doesn’t mean Labour should.

*Though it will be amusing to see those Tories who supported, ignored or whatabouted that get outraged.

[billpuntonsghost]

What a post! Accept the “sour taste “ ( wow it must be bad for you to admit it) ,but immediately deflect the “ sour taste” onto the evil Tories.About right.

[Siderite]

If you think that’s deflection, you need to think about it more. I was ruling out any kind of defense for this because of previous Tory action. In other words, it doesn’t matter what the Tories have done, this is just unacceptable. I am not saying “ummm, yeah, but what about the Tories?”

My opinions have never been intentionally partisan pro-Labour, as can be seen from my talk of Corbyn. I didn’t vote Labour at the last election because of my problems with the party. I still have problems with it now over various things (e.g. gender laws). I am often wrong, including my past support for a second referendum, so I don’t think I am averse to self-reflection.

However, I expect this to fall on deaf ears, because I am to the left of Reagan, so expecting you to not try and find a gotcha is maybe a bit much.

[Heath]

“Under the Tories, 4,500 adults convicted of sexually assaulting children under 16 served no prison time. Labour will lock up dangerous child abusers.”

Anyone disputing the above fact?

[Northumbiron]

People should have worked out long ago it’s all about who wins the propaganda war!

[Siderite]

I agree with highlighting Tory failures in crime, but I am uncomfortable with the nastiness against Sunak and populist nature of it.

[Heath]

And I am more than uncomfortable with the continued lies and false claims from the Tories which are continuing under Sunak’s leadership.

[Iron-awe]

One thing we should have learned over the years is that good guys don’t always win, there is no good or bad in this propaganda bullshit world in which we live, it’s about winning and taking power to change things. Tories don’t want massive change of the system that has run our country for generations, yes there have been tweeks here and there but it’s basically still about the rich guys getting their way overall. If Tories end up with a load of bad intentioned press in the run up to the next election then so be it but deal in facts not sound bites, the facts on this are basically sound but Sunak has not been running the Tories for the last thirteen years but he’s running them now, so he should seek to change those facts being presented or expect some more arse kicking. Politics has never been pretty or fair but winning is the only way you get to change things and this country needs change, big time.

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Heath

[64]

Stupid move when so far ahead in the polls,like employing Sue Gray,it’s as though they want to lose . Why give the hypocritical right wing press any ammo?
I would add that what the Tories did at the last election was far worse,they used the national data base to send letters , about 6 in two weeks addressed to individuals so that you opened it, demonising the leader of the labour party leader in similar ways. These letters were a disgrace and only had the smallest lettering say the Tories had sent it, about 6mm font at he bottom,so personally I don’t have a problem with it,it’s Karma

[64]

PS Sidertite, I doubt anyone here thinks you vote labour,you don’t have to tell us

[Siderite]

In one thread I have been made out to be a Labour tribalist and anti-Labour by two different people. Such is life for the ‘enlightened centrist’ :-)

As for voting Labour, I have voted Labour for the majority of my life to date. Though, if they cross red lines I won’t do. I am of Labour values, but not a tribalist.

[Heath]

“PS Sidertite, I doubt anyone here thinks you vote labour,you don’t have to tell us”.

So says the man who voted WITH the Brexiteer Tories.

[64]

Is that all you have Heath, you I assume allied yourself with Theresa May,Michael Heseltine etc etc?

[Heath]

Yes I did and they were wise in their assessment.

[64]

A bad outcome by a dishonest Tory doesn’t make my reasons allied with their’s does it? THis wasn’t a party political vote,my reasons still stand and are valid but it’s clear we cannot achieve a decent outcome with a country obsessed with immigration so we’d be better off going back in,in my opinion. It doesn’t make Kier Starmer not a twat

[Heath]

Sunak et al are the twats you should be most concerned about. Tories voted out should be the sole aim of ALL that oppose them. Corbyn lost twice.

[64]

They’re losing the election so Starmer won’t get my vote, I’ll vote green unless we get a great local candidate in red. I’d vote for a monkey in red but not a lying twat

[Heath]

Obviously your choice. Let’s hope there aren’t many like you, because Labour will need every single vote it can get to beat the Tories. Voting green will not help shift them.

[64]

they should do less to force me away then

[Siderite]

The same could have been said about Corbyn’s Labour for alienating 60% of the country, but that was the fault of ‘smears’ and us for not putting our faith in Saint Jeremy.

Given the current outlook I doubt Labour ate losing sweat over alienating the comparative handful who want some Corbynite utopian vision.

[Iron-awe]

If you put up a poster of an endless dole queue and blame the government of the day it’s fair game. If you put up a poster of the current government’s leader and accuse him rather then the government over a 13 year period for not jailing convicted sex offenders then it comes over slightly differently. If the advert had read the government over the last 13 years has failed to jail convicted sex offenders the tone would have been different but IMO the Tories would still be squealing from the rooftops, it’s politics it’s how it works. Agree with Sidey, Labour won’t lose many votes over this, people are just sick of the Tories full stop, they want change.

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Siderite

[64]

“WRITING IN THE DAILY MAIL”, Sir Keir backed his party’s position “no matter how squeamish it might make some feel”.

[Heath]

And he is right. I don’t care how long Sunak has been in Parliament or the PM. He has been a willing contributor and his policies are just as cruel as those of Truss, Johnson, May and Cameron.

I am 100% against the Tories. If you also want rid of them every vote in every constituency should be for the party that can unseat the current Tory MP. A vote for the Greens is a vote for the Tories in a first past the post voting system.

[Heath]

Many so called Labour supporters are only happy when the party is in opposition. Result – the country is subject to never ending Tory control. It’s time for this to end.

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TwoWrights

[64]

They’ve really annoyed me now, on my facebook feed a Labour sponsered ad appeared about fly tipping locally, I added a comment. Straight away a received a message in messenger,I checked my messages, it wasn’t from a friend but a labour chat bot from which I had to unsubscribe FFS.Winning elections by tediously annoying people?

[64]

it’s a bout some within the party didn’t back their own in 2017,they’d have won

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