Killing a person intentionally.

[billpuntonsghost]

Just wondering what the opinion is about the “just” sentence for such a crime?

[sufc_not_on_tour]

They should be made to change their name to Billpuntonsghost by deed poll.
I can’t think of a more embarrassing punishment than that.

[Siderite]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

Just wondering what the opinion is about the “just” sentence for such a crime?

There’s no point debating with you, because expecting it to be an honest debate is futile.

[Iron-awe]

I know a very good lawn weed and feed that kills moss and stimulates vigorous new grass growth, should we all hijack this thread and discuss that instead. I’m sure bill will approve.

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[Siderite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mz0G0F-QfA&ab_channel=bbll22

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[Iron-awe]

That’s some quality lawn feed PR Mr Sidey, I’m sure the Monkees would approve of the jingle.

[Heath]

I prefer to preserve the life of the moss.

[Northumbiron]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

Just wondering what the opinion is about the “just” sentence for such a crime?

Like your Christian brethren did all across the globe?

South America rings a bell!

What was their punishment for the mass murder of entire races?

[64]

Please elaborate, do you mean
Soldiers in war?
Elite Squads acting as executioner fora state,for instance Navy seals infiltrating a killing a high profile leader?
Executioner in a state penal system?
Or murderers?

[Iron-awe]

bill is very quiet, think he saw the lawn feed advert and caught the last train to Clarksville.

[billpuntonsghost]

“Please elaborate,”….ok.
If a person in our society ,in the everyday life of our culture,kills a person intentionally,and this person is totally innocent,what should the “just” sentence be? Does that make it clearer?
Rather than the usual ad-hom attacks, maybe a serious reply to the question would be interesting.

[Siderite]

Iron-awe wrote:

bill is very quiet, think he saw the lawn feed advert and caught the last train to Clarksville.

It was a good advert, just like this was:

[64]

With that person’s consent BPG?
I’llassumw

[Deereyme66]

It’s a woman’s choice whether to abort a pregnancy bpg, not yours or ours. No sentence required.

[billpuntonsghost]

Should a woman be able to kill her baby after it has been born?

[Siderite]

Well done to DM for teasing bpg out from his little game into what the thread is really about.

My position remains as before. The question is primarily about sentience for me, and fetus is the term you’re looking for. A baby refers to offspring post-birth.

[billpuntonsghost]

Even though a baby in the womb ( a separate human being to the mother) is being sustained by the mother, the right to murder the baby in the womb,is as wrong as murdering the baby after it has been born.

[billpuntonsghost]

A baby in the womb,weeks away from birth,in your opinion had no protective rights and can be killed without punishment to the killer is your position. You need to think hard about your worldview and callous way of thinking.

[Siderite]

A baby is sustained by the womb? They don’t crawl back in after birth. If you keep making deliberate emotional mischaracterisations, I can keep saying this.

I repeat, it’s about sentience for me. In the early stages of pregnancy a fetus is no more sentient than many other cells our bodies sustain. The abortion of such doesn’t therefore violate my own principles, because no other life has knowing pain.

This subject has been done to death, and I doubt there will be a great epiphany. Your repeated arguments don’t really win me over and I doubt they change others’ who disagree, and vice versa. I don’t really see the point in debating further, as it seems to be more of a chance to try and get one over us sinners. No doubt a snide comment about the ‘silent Christian’ is forthcoming.

[Siderite]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

A baby in the womb,weeks away from birth,in your opinion had no protective rights and can be killed without punishment to the killer is your position. You need to think hard about your worldview and callous way of thinking.

Where did I say abortion should happen weeks away from birth? Stop lying. I have repeatedly said within term limits whenever this has come up before.

Well done on your self-righteous prattle though.

[billpuntonsghost]

“A baby is sustained by the womb?”
What about a baby weeks from birth? You still agree that is not murder?
Please explain in your intellectual words why it’s not?
Maybe go back to your fallback ad-hom attacks?
Then again ,I might be able to prise a coherent answer from your good self.

[Siderite]

Can you read? I have just answered that. It’s not my fault you are evidently too stupid to understand simple English.

[billpuntonsghost]

So if someone kills a baby weeks from birth,Siderite,should there be a “just” sentence to reflect the seriousness of the crime? Should the crime be considered as serious as a person murdered in every day life?

[Heath]

“You need to think hard about your worldview and callous way of thinking”.

That’s a bit rich coming from you.

[64]

I should have known better than to engage

[Siderite]

I don’t think an abortion after a certain stage should be allowed, with the exception of when the woman faces risks to her own life. I still think there are complexities which means we shouldn’t treat it like murder. Most of the cases I am aware of involve such risks and the idea of a woman being criminalised for that is ridiculous; it would be like Gilead.

I will leave it at that. This topic has been done to death now, I have expanded on my views before and it would just be repitition, and I don’t think this will yield anything different. I apologise for making a snappy response. I do find the attempts at gotchas wearisome, and it is frustrating when I get straw manned. I can respect that this is an emotional topic and in your position, where you take a stance different to mine, it can seem astounding to you. I get that your position is that life begins at conception, but I think it is more complex. I don’t think any changes opinion will happen, for me, if those complexities aren’t addressed.

[Siderite]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

“A baby is sustained by the womb?”
What about a baby weeks from birth? You still agree that is not murder?

Also, a baby weeks from birth is still a fetus.

[64]

There are laws preventing late term abortions,false flag bollox

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[Gurnelista]

BPG, if you were a person 9 months before you were born, your real age would be 9 months more than you currently are, and your birthday would celebrate the day your parents ordered your arrival! Is this what happens in your house?

[Deereyme66]

Good point. Fair question!

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