Johnson

[Siderite]

Disgraceful to the end. He chose to run away than face consequences for his actions, and throws damaging conspiracies of being forced out to evade responsibility. He isn’t above questioning, but he treats disciplinary actions as if it’s beneath him and is contemptuous of being held to account. His supporters say it’s a witch hunt, but they’d say that no matter what. Which is telling.

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He knows idiots will repeat his rubbish ,facts won’t matter

[Siderite]

Contrary to what’s claimed by some, holding politicians to account is good for democracy. It prevents precedent and punishes those who want to play fast and loose with democratic norms. Today is a good day for democracy. Charlatans like Johnson can’t get away with lying to parliament.

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[Just Iron]

Agreed. Also looking forward to Uncle Joe and Hunter and Hilary being brought out from under the cloak of protection that is currently undermining democratic norms over the pond. Long live equality under the law.

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Michael Fabricant ,still earning his knighthood

[Deereyme66]

Heard him ‘chattin shit’ on Today earlier. Can’t take him seriously with that monstrosity on his head. Not sure why he can take himself seriously tbh

[Iron-awe]

Just to clarify JI there is no evidence to back up your claims but you carry on believing what you want to, it is a free country still, I think 🤔

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Inflation out of control, families struggling to pay the mortgage, public services on their knees, the economy on the brink of recession and all the loons to talk about is themselves.

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[Heath]

“Also looking forward to Uncle Joe and Hunter and Hilary being brought out”..

What has that got to do with Jonhnson?

If it is relevant, you missed Netanyahu off your list.

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[Iron-awe]

To be fair to JI he did start by saying ” agreed ” so he believes justice has finally come to the liar Johnson, why he then crossed the pond in Republican conspiracy theory mode is best known to him.

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Just Iron

[Just Iron]

Iron-awe wrote:

Just to clarify JI there is no evidence to back up your claims but you carry on believing what you want to, it is a free country still, I think 🤔

. Thanks IA. I think that time will tell. I’ve no idea how you can be so certain ……. unless it’s because the named individuals are to your political taste and so the free passes get handed out. I’ve followed developments pretty closely over there and it’s a rats nest as far as I can see.

[Just Iron]

Heath wrote:

“Also looking forward to Uncle Joe and Hunter and Hilary being brought out”..

What has that got to do with Jonhnson?

If it is relevant, you missed Netanyahu off your list.

Hi Heath. I don’t think you read Deerey’s post. It was about holding politicians to account …. not setting precedents….protecting democracy etc I simply made reference to a particular area of concern for me as another example ( … and I’ve got IA’s permission to believe what I want so I’m in the clear there).
Just to clarify something … especially after our last exchange when your line of argument was something like ‘You’re wrong and I’m right … have you taken a dislike to me? I’m just sensing a bit of frustration that I’m somehow not striking the correct notes.

[Just Iron]

…. correction …Sidey’s post.

[Siderite]

Just Iron wrote:

Agreed. Also looking forward to Uncle Joe and Hunter and Hilary being brought out from under the cloak of protection that is currently undermining democratic norms over the pond. Long live equality under the law.

It wasn’t Biden or Hillary who refused to hand back documents, nor is it them who initiated this process. The only undoing of democracy would be Trump expecting to be above the law.

[Siderite]

Just Iron wrote:

Heath wrote:

“Also looking forward to Uncle Joe and Hunter and Hilary being brought out”..

What has that got to do with Jonhnson?

If it is relevant, you missed Netanyahu off your list.

Hi Heath. I don’t think you read Deerey’s post. It was about holding politicians to account …. not setting precedents….protecting democracy etc I simply made reference to a particular area of concern for me as another example ( … and I’ve got IA’s permission to believe what I want so I’m in the clear there).
Just to clarify something … especially after our last exchange when your line of argument was something like ‘You’re wrong and I’m right … have you taken a dislike to me? I’m just sensing a bit of frustration that I’m somehow not striking the correct notes.

Yet holding Trump to account is apparently anti-democratic.

[Deereyme66]

“Any Conservative MP who would vote for this report is fundamentally not a Conservative”, says Nadine. In other words, there might just be a bit of decency in you 🤣🤣

[Heath]

“Hi Heath. I don’t think you read Deerey’s post”.

I did, unless it wasn’t clear enough my response was to your post!

This is about democracy but it’s more about truth. Lies.

The truth about Biden, Clinton etc. doesn’t really have anything to do with the lies told by Johnson.

As for whether I dislike you, I don’t know you so couldn’t give a toss. You don’t need to strike the correct notes on my behalf.

[Heath]

Johnson’s attacks on Jenkin shows what a total scumbag he is. What Jenkin did or didn’t do has sod all to do with the lies Johnson told.

[Iron Age]

Our beloved local MP (H M-C) is being very quiet, as usual.

[Just Iron]

Sidey said … ‘Yet holding Trump to account is apparently anti democratic.’

And there we have it. I never mentioned Trump .. or Netanyahu for that matter.. or even Johnson.
I agreed with the posting. Then I gave an example from my area of concern.
Now the left v right pile on begins. If it’s a principle, guys … it’s a principle.

[Siderite]

It wasn’t a pile on from me. I was airing my own opinion as is my right, and it wasn’t intended to be an attack. Free speech and all.

I assumed it was to do with the latest on Trump. If anything is found on any politician, Democrat or Republican, it deserves to be investigated. However, there is not much outside of conspiracy spheres about Joe or Hillary, and after Trump I am struggling to take Republican concerns seriously over corruption and democracy.

[Deereyme66]

Oh dear JI, you seem to be adopting the Bucks victimisation complex (left v right pile on) simply because a number of non right wing posters on here disagree with you and are expressing that. I really don’t understand it tbh. Hope you’re not about to journey down the ‘predictable usual suspects’ route? You’re better than that. You should be able to tell from various recent exchanges across both sides of the forum that the non right wing are far from agreeing with each other on many topics, football and non football.

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[Heath]

I usually like threads that meander into different areas, but I did take exception to bringing “Uncle Joe, Hunter Biden and Hilary” into a discussion that is about Johnson’s lies.

As for left vs right you didn’t mention Trump or Netanyahu, but you did provide a list of Democrats only.

The claims that this is great for democracy are a bit premature in my opinion. A good day for accountability yes, but there is still a vote on Monday to get through. Will Sunak and the other Cabinet ministers cast a vote?

Johnson could form a new party next week with or without Farage and get re-elected. The recommendation was for a 90 day ban not a life ban.

Still think he will be PM again in my lifetime, which might not be too far in the future! Would that be a great day for democracy? (meaning Johnson’s re-election and not my demise).

[Siderite]

I think a lifetime ban would be overly harsh for the offence and would lead to accusations of shutting out a political opponent. The punishment was enough to have him feel the need to resign, which shows he deemed it to be consequential. All the talk of conspiracies and witch hunts is just a coping mechanism. This is why I think it’s a good day for democracy; a politician was punished for wrong doing, meaning undemocratic behaviour won’t be rewarded. It domatter what stripe.

As for Johnson making a strong comeback, I doubt it. An MP, maybe, but PM is unlikely unless the Tories are bent on defeat. He is massively unpopular, the 2nd least popular PM of modern times, behind Truss. All the media hype of Johnson the amicable clown with a golden touch is based off an outdated view, and they can’t seem to comprehend this. Moreover, his popularity that does cling on is concentrated among the old. By the time Johnson could launch a PM bid the voter base will include the current younger, and he might have to defeat an incumbent Labour government. The younger generations show signs of not turning towards the Tories either. Besides I think Johnson is happy with a cushy journalist role where he can generate clicks by making ‘woe is me’ articles about being shafted by the current government and sniping at them. It involves less hassle and his ego gets stroked.

[Heath]

To clarify, I was not saying he should have a lifetime ban, just making the point that our democracy does not prevent a proven liar making a return to Parliament.

Secondly, I was suggesting he could be a future PM, more likely for a new party rather than the Tories.

[Deereyme66]

My money’s on him not running for PM for any party in the future. Didn’t he bemoan the salary at some point? Think he’ll be happy sniping from the sidelines and shit stirring whilst making much more money from other cushsty roles. With less scrutiny.

[Just Iron]

I think I am ‘better than that ‘, Deerey and actually believe that you are genuine in saying that. I’ve definitely appreciated the divergent views … especially on the pro and more suspicious takes on Hilton.
Trump was not in my mind, Sidey. Not great to make assumptions and base a response on that without at least a qualification. I actually do agree with your post re truth and accountability for all.
On reflection I should hold my hands up and say that I knew my post would be provocative. I follow the U.S. scene probably more avidly than our own. I do think that it was reasonable to give the reference I gave … although the expected reaction, in my humble opinion, has at least as much to do with political perspective than examining fact based evidence. IA for example has absolute certainty that there’s ‘nothing to see’ regarding the examples I gave. I doubt he really has any more grounds for such certainty than any of us has. And since ‘the Donald ‘ was mentioned … he has been impeached twice and is steering his way through several court cases. Time will tell, as I said, whether the examples on the left will ever be deemed worthy of equal scrutiny. Netanyahu, for Heath, should be scrutinised under the Israeli system … and is being. The principle I referred to was equality under the law … not moderated by where one stands on the political spectrum.
Anyhow … glad to have dipped in again.

[Just Iron]

Ps This Bucks malarkey is a bit irritating. When Gurney found negativity about his relentless ‘JI is Lesgeo’ tactic he switched to equating me with Bucks. There were many perspectives I shared with Bucks … and some I didn’t. I certainly found his style abrasive … but then again I’ve made no secret of how unattractive some of the tactics and posting styles of current posters can be at times. Bucks, it appears, has pretty well withdrawn. I definitely do feel that my own perspectives sit outside the general flavour of the board in many areas and some find it hard to resist ‘reacting’ rather than responding. This approach has been labelled ‘edgy’ in the past but, as you know, it’s not what I would call it! On the whole I do enjoy the cut and thrust of the forum and especially the sense that I may be offering ‘summat a bit different’ at times.

[Siderite]

I was making the assumption purely because of it being a current news item, no offence intended, and nothing more.

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[Northumbiron]

The new Hollywood comedy “Liar & Liars”.

A marriage made in heaven (or hell)?

https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-to-write-six-figure-column-for-the-daily-mail/amp/

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