Injuries and New Contracts.

[lesgeo]

I can look at the squad for next season in two ways:
1) A number of our better players are out of contract BUT seem to be injury prone ergo should be ditched to save wages.
2) They are our better players, so we should cross fingers and hope that the injuries were just a temporary blip.

Thoughts?

[Ironawe]

We’ll struggle next year Les – even more than this year. Most of the dross is tied up on 2/3 yr deals. We’ll lose stand outs like Gillead Karacan also Eisa McAtee (both good players with attitude problems – maybe not a big loss). Wouldn’t surprise me if somebody came in and offered good money for O’Malley. Clarke is crocked Brown will be also KVV looks to have had a real knock due to his injury this year. For all the praise we’re getting we are 18th in a very poor league two. So we are relying on out chief scout….

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[Iron-awe]

Although the wage cap is lifted, the chairman made it clear in the summer that the spend spend era was over. Now most of our better players are out of contract in the summer and the VanVeen’s, MaGahey’s, Gilleads, Eisa’s etc were signed on two and two and a half year deals when the spend mindset was still in place. There are recurring injuries to consider as mentioned by les but I believe and have stated elsewhere that next season will see more young inexperienced players brought in and Cox told to get on and sort it. Agree that Clarke and Brown will go but to have very few experienced players would be disastrous IMO, young players are fully of energy and enthusiasm but a few bad games and a few knocks then heads will drop. Old guns can handle all that and keep going and more importantly will encourage the younger lads with words and deeds. Swann will know all this but whether he relents on higher wages for some older heads remains to be seen. I guess it’s the great unknown at the moment but I fear the worse.

[DarrynStampGoalMachine]

The experienced players we’ve got are almost all going to leave. Hopefully we’ve learned and add some experience with the replacements. Rather than sign a load of kids and hope a few are good as we did this year then have to sign the experienced players anyway. Trying to shift Jarvis and Turan will be interesting

[mistertonmick]

Just hope they don’t all leave, money will be tight at other clubs so it might be a risk some leaving if they haven’t got anything lined up, so a reasonable income may be better than the dole.

The of course are some I will be happy for them to go but if we can sign players like Taft we can’t be paying too badly, obviously they might want to get rid of the high earners so we will wait and see.

[Northumbiron]

High(er) earners could be incorporated if we hadn’t signed three non-league hopefuls for every one experienced player.

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[bartonscorpion]

Cox stated after Tuesdays pathetic game, that energy levels were down, why does he not come out with the truth and say that skill and effort levels were far less on show from a team that put in very little and a very poor work rate. And he could have come out with the truth, that it was his five changes from a winning team and his tactics that was the main fault.

Same as Ironawe is saying, our better players will be out of contract and gone, and we will be left with players like Loft, Turan, Bedeau, Clarke, Green, HippoliteHoward and Olomolo who has played about 4 games in three years ha ha!, and God help us with our scouting team!!!!

The biggest problem at Scunny is that we have over 30 players signed on, most of whome are not good enough even for a poor league 2, instead of 22 players of better standard, the club probably have about seven that meet this requirement, and possibly five of these will have left the club. Why isn’t the Chairman asking Cox the question, “why do McAtee and Eisa want to play, and this was also the case with Coulclough before he was bladdered?

Like the Englands Cricket team, this bloody rotation system wants binning, if a professional player cannot play two games or three hours per week there is something really wrong at GP, all that is needed is to ease off on the training pitch, or cannot anyone see sence, there is anough of the management staff to work it out between them.

[cassidystash]

Here we go then, factors considered – likely wages, injury record, ability & perceived attitude.
Not considered – contract situation as not enough known:-

Keep XI
Howard
Rowe Onariase Taft O’Malley
Gilliead Karacan Spence Green
Beestin Loft
Subs Hippolyte

Bin XI
Watson
Clarke McGahey Bedeau Brown
Eisa Hallam McAtee Butroid
Olomola KVV
Subs Dales, Mooney, KDT, Jarvis

Those binned should free up the funds to sign Howard, Gilliead & Karacan plus a few others to beef up and support a not bad starting XI.

[Northumbiron]

If we’re splashing out on a new keeper I think we can do better than Howard.

[Ferrite]

Northumbiron wrote:

If we’re splashing out on a new keeper I think we can do better than Howard.

Completely agree. I don’t understand why people seem to happy to overlook the number of goals he’s cost us with bad mistakes this season.

Karacan, on the other hand, would be my player of the season. He’s made a huge impact on our season.

[alcazar]

bartonscorpion wrote:

Cox stated after Tuesdays pathetic game, that energy levels were down, why does he not come out with the truth and say that skill and effort levels were far less on show from a team that put in very little and a very poor work rate. And he could have come out with the truth, that it was his five changes from a winning team and his tactics that was the main fault.

Apparently not BS

I’ve tried to make the same point on another thread, where the usual suspects have told me that all our players are giving 100% all the time with the exception of McAtee.
Who knew?

[cassidystash]

“Completely agree. I don’t understand why people seem to happy to overlook the number of goals he’s cost us with bad mistakes this season.”

I think it’s cost us less than the number of points he’s gained us with crucial saves, but that’s just my view. An experienced ‘keeper is a must, if it’s not Howard fair enough but “better the devil you know” comes to mind. No doubt our chief scout has the position covered already.

[DarrynStampGoalMachine]

I wouldn’t be desperate to keep Howard but he’s a good enough keeper at this level.

The number of goals he’s cost us is a huge amount less than of what his predecessor cost us which I imagine is why it doesn’t get mentioned as much.

It’s not every week and it’s not always the same mistake.

[Ferrite]

cassidystash wrote:

I think it’s cost us less than the number of points he’s gained us with crucial saves, but that’s just my view. An experienced ‘keeper is a must, if it’s not Howard fair enough but “better the devil you know” comes to mind. No doubt our chief scout has the position covered already.

Not sure about that, I can’t think of many saves Howard has made which I wouldn’t have expected him to make. Happy to be corrected on that point though.

DarrynStampGoalMachine wrote:

The number of goals he’s cost us is a huge amount less than of what his predecessor cost us which I imagine is why it doesn’t get mentioned as much.

It’s not every week and it’s not always the same mistake.

I don’t think that’s a particularly high bar, surely we should aim a bit higher than that?

[cassidystash]

“Not sure about that, I can’t think of many saves Howard has made which I wouldn’t have expected him to make. Happy to be corrected on that point though.”

No need for correction, it’s just differing opinions based on our perceptions. Certainly cost us a point against Salford at home but the penalty save against Walsall I believe won us 3 points. No way to prove that of course, we might have won anyway but we haven’t won away anywhere else after being behind.

[Northumbiron]

Keeper is the high risk area.

Howard was excellent against Cambridge, but that back peddling against Salford that allowed their lad to hook in the opener was not what I want to see from a goalie.

And in the meantime of course, we’ll never know if Watson could have improved (probably not).

Don’t get me wrong, I think that bringing in Howard has been a good move, but when you see Gilks still performing well at Bolton, it does make you think.

[Ferrite]

cassidystash wrote:

No way to prove that of course, we might have won anyway but we haven’t won away anywhere else after being behind.

You’ve hit on one of my bug-bears in football: when managers/pundits/commentators say “we’d have won if that goal had been allowed/if we’d been given a penalty/etc.” which just isn’t true because, as you say, you have no idea how the game would have panned out if that decision had been different. Sure, you’re more likely to win if you score a goal but it’s not a guarantee.

Anyway, I’d forgotten about the Walsall penalty save, I’ll give you that one!

[lesgeo]

Your list makes a lot of sense, CT.

I understand Clarke ‘works cheap’ and is a useful backup at CB. So maybe. But I do need to be convinced.
Bedeau is improving would keep if he takes a sizeable pay cut.
McGahey and KVV, for me, need, somehow, to show that injuries are not likely to be a future problem. A fit McGahey is a mega asset. KVV too.
Hallam – a combination. Pay cut and medical proof.

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[DarrynStampGoalMachine]

Ferrite wrote:

I don’t think that’s a particularly high bar, surely we should aim a bit higher than that?

Fully agree I’d love is to aim higher but that doesn’t seem to be the plan.

Howard is a know quantity and is preferable to another year of “Watson is our number one” or signing an unknown youngster.

I wouldn’t be keeping Clarke and I wouldn’t be particularly interested in keeping Bedeau.

I’d keep Kev if he is willing to stay on less money. McGahey is tricky. I think the injury issues are our only chance of keeping him. Fully fit he’d be out like lightning.

CB is probably the least of my worries with 2 very good players under contract and Barks as the 4th we only need one decent backup signing.

Big fan of Hallam but he’s another Luke Williams. He will never be fit I don’t think.

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[Sanfran49]

For me before the initial new recruits we had a decent base to build on. Then the new faces were recruited and quite frankly they weakened the squad substantially.

This set of new permanents and loans 2 seasons ago would not have been looked at. Yet some of the new permanents got 2 year deals for goodness sake. These less than average players got chance after chance and if we had not got Karacan or Taft in we would be near to the bottom 4 !!

Survive this season and many who have recruited such mediocrity will do just the same and I fear retaining league status will be success again. But rest assured the ‘the – we threw money at it comment will be said’. But be confident the new ‘Vose’ will arrive.

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[DarrynStampGoalMachine]

I think we might not be in a terrible situation with the new signings.

Spence is great. Onarise is great. Hippolyte seems like he might have something.

Unless I’ve forgotten anyone we are stuck with only 3 who seem like dead weight. The unfortunate thing is all 3 are strikers.

Mooney will be very cheap and is only young so as a u23/emergency backup might be useful.

That only leaves Jarvis and Turan we are needing rid of.

Olomola sand his three year contract will finally be up as well.

[lesgeo]

Clarke was close to being my MOTM today. Very professional. The slower pace in the middle suits him.
He is a better CB than FB.
Bedeau played well. The way the Orient goal came about was the only fly in the ointment in our defence, today.

[Ironawe]

We give away far too many soft free kicks around the penalty area. Teams like Orient who were very poor always have a chance with a delivery into the box (one shot on target today).

Maybe should’ve had a penalty but we are still a really poor team. The league doesn’t lie.

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