Ingebrigtsen – The Machine

[Anonymous]

Friday 8th September 2023 – Jakob Ingebrigtsen aged just 22 breaks the World 2000m record.

At 16, he was the youngest person to run a sub 4 minute mile!

He’s the current Olympic 1500m champion.
He is the current (2023) 5000m World Champion having defended his 2022 title.

He’s the European Champion at 1500m & 5000m from 2018 & 2022.
[European Champion at 17 years old!]

He’s the World Record holder at 2000m
He holds the Worlds Best over 2 miles.
He’s the World Record holder indoors over 1500m

This guy will be the greatest ever.

He reminds me so much of Seb Coe back in the late 70s and in to the late 80s.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/athletics/66758559

[Anonymous]

Apologies – I meant to post this in non football.
Sorry.

[lesgeo]

Don’t worry. I’m usually confused these days.
Just think – yesterday I thought our game v Buxton had a referee in charge.
Just shows how crazy I can get.

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[Just Iron]

… but …since you mention it on this side AA … v pleasing to see two Brits …Wightman and Kerr ..nick those two 1500m World Titles. Nothing taken away from Ingebritsen …he’s awesome ..but still gratifying for us GB Athletics fans.

[Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg]

lesgeo wrote:

Don’t worry. I’m usually confused these days.
Just think – yesterday I thought our game v Buxton had a referee in charge.
Just shows how crazy I can get.

What was your rating of the ref yesterday, Les?

[Awaywego]

Will never be the greatest ever, apologies but that surely goes to some black person Kenyan or Ethiopian who we subconsciously racially don’t quite remember.

[Just Iron]

Kip Keino? El Gharrouj? Said Aouita, Gebresselassie , Cheptegei …Quite a few candidates. Africans have tended to dominate Middle to Long distance ..but a different story on purely Middle distance. But why the race baiting? Lasse Viren? Coe, Ovett and Cram. It ain’t about race. Ingebritsen is up there in any generation on purley Middle distance.

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[Awaywego]

“Greatest ever”

[Just Iron]

Awaywego wrote:

“Greatest ever”

OK Longer … Gebressalassie
Purely Middle ..currently Coe …Ingebritsen young enough to become the greatest ..would have been almost there but for Wightman and Kerr nicking those 2 1500 golds.

[Anonymous]

Four men have won consecutive 800m Olympic titles:

Douglas Lowe GB (1924 & 1928)
Mal Whitfield USA (1948 & 1952)
Peter Snell NZ (1960 & 1964)
David Rudisha Kenya (2012 & 2016)

Only one man has ever defended the 1500m title:

Sebastian Coe GB (1980 & 1984)

Only two athletes have won multiple Olympic steeplechase titles:

Volmari Iso-Hollo Finland (1932 & 1936)
Ezekiel Kemboi Kenya (2004 & 2012).

Only two men have defended their 5000m Olympic crown:

Lasse Virén Finland (1972 & 1976)
Mo Farah GB (2012 & 2016).

Six men have won the Olympic 10,000m title twice:

Paavo Nurmi Finland (1920 & 1928)
Emil Zátopek Czech (1948 & 1952)
Lasse Virén Finland (1972 & 1976)
Haile Gebrselassie Ethiopia (1996 & 2000)
Kenenisa Bekele Ethiopia (2004 & 2008)
Mo Farah GB (2012 & 2016)

World Championships

Only one man has won three titles at 800m:

Wilson Kipketer Denmark (1995 / 97 / 99)

2 titles:
Billy Konchellah Kenya (1987 & 91)
David Rudisha Kenya (2011 & 15)

1500m
4 titles:
Hicham El Guerrouj – Morocco (1997 99 01 & 03)

3 titles:
Noureddine Morceli – Algeria (1991 93 & 95)
Asbel Kiprop – Kenya (2011 13 & 15)

3000m Steeplechase

4 titles:Ezekiel Kemboi – Kenya (2009 11 13 & 15).

3 titles:
Moses Kiptanui – Kenya (1991 93 & 95)

5,000m

3 titles

Mo Farah – GB (2011 13 & 15)

2 titles:

Ismael Karui – Kenya (1993 & 95)
Mukhtar Edris – Ethiopia (2017 & 19)
Jakob Ingebrigtsen – Finland (2022 & 23)

10,000m

4 titles:
Haile Gebrselassie – Ethiopia (1993 95 97 & 99)
Kenenisa Bekele – Ethiopia (2003 05 07 & 09)

3 titles:
Mo Farrar – GB (2013 15 & 17)
Joshua Cheptegei – Uganda (2019 22 & 23).

5,000m / 10,000m double:

Only Mo Farah has achieved the feat twice, in 2013 and 2015 – either side of which he performed the same feat in consecutive Olympic Games.

So, who is / are currently the greatest of all time?

I think we’ll find that Ingebrigtsen is come the day he retires

[SODIron]

Mo Farah, the man who was an also ran until he switched coaches to Salazar. Then Salazar get’s a doping related ban, Farah leaves him to get coached by Gary Lough, and returns back to being an also ran.

Move along, nothing to see here!

[Iron-awe]

Well certainly nothing legally proven in Moe’s case to see here Daz, you are quite correct.

[Rene Artois]

New World Record.
Smashed the old one!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/articles/c89w1zeg1kko

[SODIron]

any one ever heard of micro-dosing, or athletes who names are too big to be fail a doping test?

[PhilAnders]

Doping tests usually involve the provision of a biological sample ( saliva, blood, urine, hair) which is then analysed by a combination of infra red spectrometry and gas chromatography. The technique is incredibly sensitive and can detect nanograms of a substance in the sample. However, detection alone is not the issue, in sport, deciding at what dose a substance produces a positive performance effect is! This is relatively easy when the substance is not natural to the body for example Cocaine, more difficult when the substance is produced by the body,for example Testosterone.
There are a number of ways one can steal a performance advantage within the rules of the sport and to spin this thread back to football and Scunthorpe United in his post match interviews, AB has often alluded to managing the players post match recovery. In this modern age, this does not include finding a pub to stop at on the way back from an away game. The Fitness and Conditioning boys are heavily into this with each player having an individual rehydration, refuelling ( diet and nutrition) and rest plan. In addition to post match stretching and warm down this may extend whole body ice bath, massage, infra red mats, pulsed electromagnetic field pads etc. At our level, this is undoubtedly an advantage and as an exercise, I will go away and check how many NlN clubs have a FT Fitness and Conditioning set up. To show the importance attached to this, although we are in the Rugby close season, the English team is in turmoil because 3 of its highly rated team of 4F&C coaches have resigned! Don’t expect any fireworks from England Rugby this year!

[SODIron]

@PhilAnders – I fully understand how biological passports and doping control work under WADA, along with the whereabouts registration, Global Dro and the informed sport database. I’ve seen enough elite level athletes and coaches so trust me, just because someone’s test is reported as clean it does NOT guarantee they are free from performance enhancing pharmaceuticals.

Back to SUFC; it is good to see that AB is taking the fitness and post match recovery serious. It will make a huge difference, especially as the pitches start to get heavy during the winter and spring months.

[PhilAnders]

I agree with you SODIron, what constitutes a performance enhancing drug? For me, Caffeine works every time! Even if a drug is classified as performance enhancing, such an anabolic steroids, microdosing can mean you can build up muscle using the drugs, without going over the sports governing bodies limits!

[SODIron]

remember when Mo Farah’s ABP was flagged “suspicious” by WADA? No? That’s because it was brushed under the carpet and he split with the disgraced and banned coach Alberto Salazar. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, there are some big names in elite sport, and some are too big to test positive.

In relation to caffeine@ this was removed from the WADA banned substances in 20034 as too many athlete’s were getting caught up in doping scandals just for drinking coffee!

[PhilAnders]

Here is my update, information provided by the NLN clubs websites. Of the 24 teams only ourselves and Hereford have a professionally qualified F&C coach. Kidderminster and Spennymoor have ex players fulfilling the role. Their knowledge and therefore competence remains unknown. Of the other 20 clubs, no one is specifically identified with responsibility for F&C although I would assume that someone ( Manager, Asst Manager,Coach or Physio)is assuming some of the role, but again their competence and effectiveness is unknown!

[Just Iron]

On the doping subject ..can a country be too big to be penalised? Russia barred for military adventures ..but China tests 23 swimmers positive for a banned substance and waved through!! Not as if a totalitarian regime would use illegal substances to boost its prestige. ( E Germany excepted.)

[Iron-awe]

Reckon some of those East German female shot putt athletes back in the day would have stood a chance of winning today’s World Strongest Man title, scary stuff back then.

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[Just Iron]

Remember Tamara Press??!! She made Geoff Capes look like a rhythmic gymnast! Lots of those medal winners for E Germany were dead by the age of 40.

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