Inept Government

[Siderite]

Bore off with the usual suspects crap, as if anyone who disagrees with you is suspect. You bemoan anyone else, but have your own rigid ideas which are not up for question. And if they are, it’s because we’re left wing guttersnipes.

The only thing you have shown is your astounding arrogance and dismissals of everyone else as stupid, while whining if anyone dares to question your ‘expertise’. Just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn’t mean they’re ignorant or reliant on others.

The pound unsurprisingly reacted to BoE intervention, costing £65 billion in the process. If your economic ‘expertise’ involves BoE taking drastic measures, then I am alarmed and unlikely to trust your ‘expertise’. Instead of howling about how everyone else is disingenuous, try and deal with your own argument. We are not obliged to take this weak position as gospel, because your ego thinks of yourself as some great expert.

Of course there is the usual crap about critics being left wing. You’re just like the Corbynites. In your and their ideal world there would be no critique, just pandering to their ideological silliness. Corbynites see anyone to the right of Chavez as right wing, you see anyone to the left of Reagan as left wing. Hence the idiocy coming out that anyone critical of pensions, mortgages, loss of gilts are overreacting lefties. I never knew city traders were a secret hive of Che wannabes.

I eagerly await the howls of ‘abuse’ and ‘insults’ from someone because I haven’t played along with their nonsense.

[Siderite]

*I have not abused you. I have given some negative opinions of how I view your argument and personality. I am not going to be politically correct and dress it up to protect thin skins.

[Siderite]

Downgradings of ratings, damages to gilts, mortgages and pensions at risk. However, it’s all ok because every single concerned body of high status is a full of it ‘expert,’ unlike Bucks, who we should trust, otherwise we’re Marxists, usual suspects, and disingenuous.

It’s not convincing, but part of me thinks carry on. This attitude is what got the Tories into the mess they’re in, in popularity, so be my guest and shoot yourself in the foot.

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Deereyme66

[Siderite]

It should also be said that if the system, such as LDIs being overly relied upon because of the low interest rates, you don’t just put the system at risk with gung-ho madness. It does not absolve the government for chaotic idiocy.

However, because this disagrees with Bucks, I am prepared to be patronised to the inch of my life and told how I am disingenuous and someone who can’t have a valid opinion from another line of thought. And if I react to this, I am ‘abusing’ him.

[Just Iron]

You’re definitely being sucked in to making it personal rather than stating your case, Sidey. A pity .. because you’re pretty good at the latter whereas the former diminishes you.

[Siderite]

Like I said, this is my honest opinion of Buck and his arguments. If he is going to come on here with a perceived patronising and arrogant attitude, making out that anyone else is beneath him, then reactions may happen.

Maybe I can do better, but I am not going to lose too much sleep over it. If Bucks wants to treat everyone like an idiot and demeaning anyone else who thinks differently he might get disdain from those he derides.

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Deereyme66

[Siderite]

However, I do apologise if I have read too much into it. I can be blunt and find Bucks’s attitude to be grating. Personality clash, maybe, nothing more.

[Iron-awe]

Siderite don’t get sucked in by JI, it can be his default position when discussion doesn’t go a certain way, your doing more then fine. 👍

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[Deereyme66]

Tbh, I’ve given up bothering reading Bucks’ epistles. It’s just the same ‘net zero to blame’ line that’s been popular among certain Tories for years now. Bucks is an archetypal ideologue; bit like Truss and Kwarteng. They’ve made their minds up and won’t deviate despite rational arguments against. Debating with them is futile. The past has shown that Bucks rarely answers pertinent questioning and often lies low or disappears when it becomes apparent that he’s defending the indefensible. Then there’s the straw manning and gas lighting (latest example the other day regarding ‘insults’). I’ve heard so many people in trusted positions on TV and radio explaining the lunacy of the mini-budget (just this afternoon a financial expert and Chair of a Pensions Fund on R4 explaining how Brexit and lack of productivity are the key issues that need addressing not tax reductions for high earners and net zero) that I’m hardly going to take much notice of an idealogue on Bru!

[Deereyme66]

Just Iron wrote:

You’re definitely being sucked in to making it personal rather than stating your case, Sidey. A pity .. because you’re pretty good at the latter whereas the former diminishes you.

That depends if you agree or not with Bucksiron

[Northumbiron]

Bucks for chancellor! He obviously knows more about the economy than Rishi or Kwasi.

[Huckleberry Hound]

Still no definition of supply side problems.

[Iron-awe]

Huckleberry Hound wrote:

Still no definition of supply side problems.

Doesn’t fit his PR brief, he won’t respond.

[Northumbiron]

Huckleberry Hound wrote:

Still no definition of supply side problems.

And I’d like a definition of what “as for energy prices, the reason we’re in this entire mess is down to the stupid drive to net-zero” actually means.

[Bucksiron]

I have strong opinions, Siderite, and whether I agree with your opinions or not I completely respect your right to hold them. I don’t come on here to be liked or even agreed with; and if I come across as patronising and arrogant it’s my response to those who come out with comments such as those by Deerey, above.

Just look at that Deerey comment about net-zero. It’s complete nonsense. It’s an indisputable fact that energy costs soared when renewables were unable to cope with demand because the wind stopped blowing at the same time that natural gas supplies were low. The reason they were so low, of course, was down to fossil fuels being demonised to meet net-zero targets. Then of course, Mr Putin decided to invade Ukraine, paid for by the natural gas imported by countries such as Germany after they decided to close down their fossil fuel and nuclear plants.

The likes of Deerey just turn a blind eye to this. Maybe it salves their conscience for supporting this net-zero drivel. The drivel that is now pushing millions into poverty. Yet he just dismisses me as an ‘ideologue’. Well, he’s entitled to his opinion but that’s as far from the truth as it’s possible to get. What I am is a realist; and the fact is that this country has lived beyond its means for decades.

Of course the Tories have been to blame for this as much as Labour. There’s plenty of things the Tory party does that I don’t agree with and I have no problem admitting it. But Truss and Kwarteng are 100% correct that this has to change. Yes, the mini-budget was a shambles in how it’s been managed, but the fundamental strategy is the right one. Deerey can listen to as many ‘experts’ as he likes on R4, selected no doubt precisely because of his views on Brexit and net-zero, but it’s unlikely the chair of a pension fund is going to admit his own people were part of the screw-up that led to the BoE having to bail them out.

[Bucksiron]

Huckleberry: are you serious? It’s when demand outstrips supply, which has happened globally as the world’s come out of the pandemic. Is that simple enough for you?

[Deereyme66]

‘Of course the Tories have been to blame for this as much as Labour.’

Lol, er, Labour? Why are you bringing a polictal party in to it who have had no power or influence over it? This shiteshow is firmly on your Party’s shoulders.

[Deereyme66]

‘Is that simple enough for you?’

Is that the backstory for Liz and Kwasi’s fiscal strategy? Carry on trying to defend Bucks. Carry on…

[64]

Tories tanking the economy on a badly thought out mini budget ,refusing to show her working out and today starting a fightback to double down on it whith their”had to do it” line
Tories make me sick supporting this, they claim to be freemarket yet the market overwhelmingly rejected their reckless trashing of the economy.
I’m not going to pretend I know all about economics because I watch rolling news all day, but I do know that you cannot pay bills by reducing your income. Lowering taxes really is only possible if you make cuts, cuts is a polite way of saying putting people on the dole,for horrid Tories to sneer at and call lazy.They’ll be sneering at these ex nurses ,soldiers ,civil servants etc etc as lazy while laughing at working class Tories, who never benefit from them, vote for them. Evebn been had?
Trickle down economics doesn’t work for us ,look at the RMT strikes,demonised a sgreedy when they are fighting for a better pay and less job cuts while rail companies funnel tax payers cash out the country. Anyone wanting a pay rise is now called greedy but the racist anti EY voters told us that foreigners were holding back wage growth,once again Right wing lies to get racists riled up which they now go back on

[Siderite]

Labour haven’t been in power for 12 years, so I don’t see how they can be afforded equivalent blame. There are global causes for financial imbalance, but that didn’t stop Tories from capitalising on Labour mistakes in the 2000s when the financial crash was global. The same applies now when the Tories have made an unforced error. Most other countries have managed to enact policies without worsening the situation, so they can’t palm away responsibility. Their supposed help with energy costs won’t wash when they put pensions at risk, make mortgages costly and reportedly cut benefits for those who need help the most with energy bills.

The do something argument also applies for net zero. We know we need to reduce carbon emissions, but wind and solar energy security has been lethargic. There has been a woeful reluctance to utilise nuclear, which would have helped a lot, but this doesn’t mean we should have done nothing for helping future generations with the effects of climate change.

[Lord Kitchener]

The problem these days is the quality of politicians, or lack thereof. It’s not just the Tories, the brain drain is evident on the opposite benches.

Gone are the days of Maggie Thatcher and Neil Kinnock locking horns at pmq, we are now bored shitless by the drivel that is on show for all involved.

David Cameron promised a referendum on our EU membership, then disappeared almost without a trace when the people voted to leave.

Theresa May was so soft that she allowed herself to be bullied by a snivelling shit of a speaker of the house.

Boris Johnson is a blithering idiot who couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery, yet was able to host many in parliament during a lockdown.

Liz Truss must have read somewhere that traditional Tories cut taxes. What she has failed to understand that the money to implement this is not here. But never mind, she’ll do it anyway and borrow the money required.

The trouble is the opposition, non have been credible since the grinning monkey Blair stepped down.

Gordon Brown, Blair’s chosen successor tried to buy his way out of the mess he had previously made when he was chancellor. He even sold more than half of our nations gold reserves cheaply in an attempt to balance the books.

Ed Miliband is a proper goofball, labour’s very own version of Boris Johnson. This one was super vindictive, even climbing all over his brother to get to the top. It didn’t last and labour didn’t win a general election during his tenure.

Then, with their next leader, one Jeremy Corbyn, the party lurched decidedly to the left. With the shadow cabinet filled with lackeys and sycophants. He even gave the position of shadow chancellor to a woman who couldn’t do basic arithmetics, mind you he liked her so much that she was his fuck buddy. A champagne socialist, Comrade Corbin had a history of befriending terrorists, with the IRA being his personal favourites. For all his talk about progressive socialism, Corbyn has a personal fortune of at least £4,000,000! He now sits in the House of Commons as an independent, having had the Labour Party whip removed from him.

Now we are blessed with the presence of another leader of the opposition, one Keir Starmer. I haven’t had the chance to analyse this one. A career politician, but almost anonymous, insomuch as nobody had ever heard of him. Judging by what I have seen of him so far, I think he is labour’s version of Theresa May, only more of an old woman.

So there you go, we are stuck with a bunch of idiot Tories, because we haven’t had and haven’t got a credible opposition. Politicians, they don’t inhabit the same world as us mere mortals. They are all the bloody same!

Rant over!!

[Siderite]

Brown’s approach to saving the economy, after admittedly making mistakes previously with gold reserves, was praised and copied by other nations to success.

[Heath]

Herd immunity.
Brexit.
Peter Swann.
Truss.

Bucks has got a great track record of being wrong.

[Deereyme66]

What a lame excuse for a post Lord Kitchener. Who gives a toss what you think of past and present Labour Party leaders? This in particular:

‘Now we are blessed with the presence of another leader of the opposition, one Keir Starmer. I haven’t had the chance to analyse this one. A career politician, but almost anonymous, insomuch as nobody had ever heard of him. Judging by what I have seen of him so far, I think he is labour’s version of Theresa May, only more of an old woman.’

What you mean is, you’d never heard of him. I’m sure the earth will move when you provide your expert analysis of his credentials but no doubt it would be just be an opportunity to find faults with him like you have with the previous. You admit to knowing nothing about him but claim he’s a ‘career politician’? Yes, clearly you know nothing about him.

I know you’d prefer a Party in power that was more akin to the BNP or the NF based on your previous racist views on here and gushing praise of Big Job, Boris, Trump and Farage, so your criticism of Labour Party leaders seems hollow. What do you want from a Pary leader? Bit more Trump, Farage, Moseley, Griffin?

[Bucksiron]

Try again, Heath. The lockdowns were a disaster and while covid’s always likely to be with us, it’s herd immunity that’s brought the pandemic to a halt, supported by excellent vaccines. Brexit, well, what else are you and all the other remainers going to say? Whatever happens you’re all always going to blame Brexit for everything. Peter Swann, yep, I definitely got that one wrong. Truss, let’s wait and see.

You’ve also missed out Corbyn, whom as I recall you and your left wing mates all supported. Oh, and that man Starmer also backed him. Great judgement. “The Tories are finished” said Gurny. Not exactly a great track record for you guys, either, eh? Oh, and the Tories love nothing more than a Labour party that thinks it’s already won the next election.

Deerey, I had to smile at your comment about the R4 interview. You’re even more naive than me if you think the BBC didn’t select the pensions person they interviewed based on their views over Brexit. As for productivity, doh, that’s what the mini-budget was also about. As for “Why are you bringing a polictal party in to it who have had no power or influence over it?” So, according to you, Labour doesn’t support net-zero?! And you reckon supply side problems are a ‘back story’. Hmmm, try telling that to all the other countries facing exactly the same problems.

Another thing that I find extraordinary is how you all love to bash the top rate tax cut, while saying nothing about NHS doctors and consultants complaining over the tax they have to pay on pension pots over £1 million. These people are going part-time exactly when the NHS needs them. If only many in the private sector could afford to go part-time with a pension pot already over £1 million.

[Deereyme66]

‘You’re even more naive than me if you think the BBC didn’t select the pensions person they interviewed based on their views over Brexit.’

It was a phone in programme love: ‘Any Answers’ to be precise. Thanks.

[Siderite]

It doesn’t matter if Labour support certain economic policies. They have no power to enact them, so the idea they can be blamed as much as the Tories for economic policy is daft reasoning.

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[Deereyme66]

Typical Tory deflection: ‘I know let’s pick out those doctors and consultants on high income! That’ll excuse it!’ Tactics like this are partly why people call Tories the nasty party.

[Deereyme66]

‘Oh, and the Tories love nothing more than a Labour party that thinks it’s already won the next election.’.

Nope, you’ve been corrected on that a day a two ago. It really doesn’t think it’s won anything. You can keep saying it as much as you like. It’s just one in a long line of fabrications and untruths.

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Siderite

[Siderite]

Deereyme66 wrote:

‘You’re even more naive than me if you think the BBC didn’t select the pensions person they interviewed based on their views over Brexit.’

It was a phone in programme love: ‘Any Answers’ to be precise. Thanks.

No doubt they deliberately siphoned political views before allowing a phone in. These conspiracies are tedious. Anyone who disagrees with this has to be suspect, and arguments are just dismissed.

The Tories have no responsibility for anything, despite being in power for 12 years, everything is the fault of the ‘elite,’ (which somehow doesn’t include those in power), remainers, Labour, IMF, EU etc, never them.

If someone has a position to the left of Reagan they can just be dismissed, no matter what they say. It’s the same tedious dismissiveness as the Corbynites who do the same in reverse. They are so cocksure in their rigid ideology, yet they hurl such accusations at others. Everyone else is ‘suspect,’ yet don’t dare criticise them for being ideologically blinded.

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