If we’d beaten Rotherham in the 2018 play-offs….

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    FerriteFerrite
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    And then won the final at Wembley, getting promotion to the Championship, do you think we would now be in a better or worse position? Extra marks will be awarded for showing your working.

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    Who knows? Possibly a little better very possibly worse. Guess I failed getting to extra marks territory?

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    If we’d hung on to Clemence & Keegan, how many European Cups would we have won by now?

    If you can’t pass for toffee are you wasting your time preparing a near perfect pitch? Is it better to leave it bumpy & bobbly and the grass longer to disrupt the opposition?

    When constructing a stadium, is it more appealing to have an uncovered away end, thus ensuring the away supporters get drenched when it rains?

    Football is all about scoring goals. Should you get an additional point for every goal you score in a game?

    If footballs were inflated using Krypton gas – would you have a Superball?

    If footballs were inflated with Neon gas – would they light up dull games?

    Does football need ‘levelling up’?
    Let’s go 4 down & up to Prem & Championship.
    Let’s go 6 down & up to L1 & L2.

    Only Smarties have the answers.

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    Who knows? Possibly a little better very possibly worse. Guess I failed getting to extra marks territory?

    In my opinion if we’d have gone up it would have been worse. Swann’s spending was reckless as it was. I couldn’t possibly imagine how much he would have spent if there was more scope there to do so.

    I’d rather not contemplate that in all honesty.

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    If’s, buts & maybes.
    It is what it is.

    Ambition is fine if you have the resources to fund it.

    Man City: 3rd tier to the dominant force in English football.

    Einstein said that there are five things that you shouldn’t share with anyone.
    One of these is your dream or pipe dream.

    Scunny we’re a L2 club. It’s about knowing your place in the grand scheme of things.

    If I was the person in the hot seat, I’d want to remain in L2, no promotion, no relegation.
    Finish in the play offs or just miss out in the last game of the season each year. Maybe a few trips to Wembley but don’t get promoted.
    The team is deemed to be successful as it is winning the majority of games each season.
    There’s a ‘feel good factor’ about the club.
    Bums are sitting on seats and attendances and therefore revenue is high.

    Promotion brings problems.
    The League above is generally full of bigger clubs with bigger budgets.

    The manager feels a need to bring in ‘better players’, costing transfer & agents fees. These new players will want higher wages.
    Existing players will also be knocking on the door for more money.
    The manager will want a bigger squad again costing more money.
    How many extra supporters will come through the turnstile?

    What was our average attendance in the Championship?

    It wasn’t sustainable.

    It’s a cost benefit detriment analysis.

    Keep your existing squad in L2 and you keep your costs down.
    You keep the same manager and you have stability and aren’t on an endless conveyor belt churning over managers and players.

    We will be back, eventually.

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    SUFC Championship average attendance = 6,149

    2007-08 = 6,434
    2009-10 = 6,464
    2010-11 = 5,548

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    We never have, and never will be able to sustain championship football. We’d have probably ended up bust as god knows what he will have spent.

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    Some fairly big clubs can’t sustain Premiership football, Norwich, WBA, Burnley, Fulham, Watford etc but they keep on trying hoping one day it will stick because that is where the mega bucks are ( not that Buck’s that posts on here occasionally). As long as money is the key to success to achieve status and a chance of more money then certain people will chuck money at certain clubs who in the grand scheme of things would not really be seen as a Premiership club now. I mean what the hell were Bournemouth doing up there for awhile based on club size, fanbase and infrastructure, I mean even Hull are babbling on about getting there again.

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    I just think it’s interesting because it would appear that it was after that defeat that the budget reductions began. Had we gone up, would the new ground have happened? Would the spending have continued?

    I wonder whether the Rotherham defeat was the start of the current problems, our sliding doors moment, or whether we were already on our current trajectory by that point?

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    ‘I mean what the hell were Bournemouth doing up there for awhile based on club size, fanbase and infrastructure’

    They’re back there this season and by all accounts could be competitive. Don’t know how they’re managing that though.

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    They’re back there this season and by all accounts could be competitive. Don’t know how they’re managing that though.

    Google: who owns AFC Bournemouth?

    Maxim Victorovich Demin (born October 1969) is a Russian businessman. In 2011, Demin became co-owner of then Football League side A.F.C. Bournemouth with Eddie Mitchell, reportedly paying £850,000 for his share of the club. Subsequently in 2015 the club were promoted to the Premier League. In 2015, he sold a 25% share in the club to Peak 6 Investments, although he remains the majority shareholder.

    Demin has been involved in the petrochemicals industry and as a trader.

    Truly fairytale stuff!

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    Dean Court has a capacity of just 11,360.

    In days gone by, the club have never achieved a season average attendance of more than 13,000 in their history.

    The population of the town is 185,000.
    The metropolitan area has a population of 515,000.

    The demographics can’t be right for football down there.

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    Money money money Abba were right it’s a rich mans world but that does not make it a sensible or fair one.

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    I think in hindsight Swann should have put the club up for sale when we lost that playoff – it was then that he lost interest, he possibly wouldn’t have the stick that he has now and he may have got a better price for it.

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    Would have delayed the inevitable by another year.

    Look where our first opponents of the NL season have been during the past ten years.

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    We’d have played Shrewsbury in the final duh!.

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    Would have delayed the inevitable by another year.

    Look where our first opponents of the NL season have been during the past ten years.

    So you don’t think a promotion that season would have made things worse?

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    Has anyone factored in COVID and Bolton Wanderers from Ernie’s excuses.

    Ernie fails to factor in umpteen crap managers, selling Aduleken, Holmes,Townsend and Wallace and not replacing them quality wise.

    Oh and selling Paddy Madden our last regular goalscorer to be replaced by nobody able to score more than 10 in any season. Or as currently a team unable to score 10 between them.

    Ernie did not lose interest he simply fails to deliver on anything, his attention and money was diverted to the Sands Venue, a multi-million investment of a 5 star hotel in errr Blackpool the home of B&Bs stag n hen weekends and scotch week. Popular for donkies, kiss me quick hats and rock!

    Blackpool also once had the worse ever football club chairman!!!!!!

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    And how many can honestly say they didn’t want rid of Paddy, he’d just gone 16 games without scoring Scunny fans would have wanted rid of Messi going that long without scoring at that moment in time. I could go along and backing the manager on this but then letting Alexander go 81 days later was nonsensical.

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    I think we’d seen the best of Madden by that stage, selling him wasn’t a terrible mistake. Did we replace him though?

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    Madden’s still doing the business, he was just going through a baron run, could have just rested him. Selling him wasn’t a bad mistake. lol. Thanks for backing me up there Ferrite.

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    Agree about Paddy’s scoring and form, he was clearly pissed off here.

    Subsequently I have been pissed off that we do not have a goal scorer let alone a regular one.

    The issue was not replacing him.

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    Would have delayed the inevitable by another year.

    Look where our first opponents of the NL season have been during the past ten years.

    So you don’t think a promotion that season would have made things worse?

    Did it sound like that?

    We lost some major talent that summer in Holmes and Townsend, and failed to attract another full-time in the shape of Ivan Toney.

    Could we have gone into a Championship campaign with them still in the building or were they already tempted to move elsewhere?

    When we survived the 2009/10 season we also lost talent to bigger clubs. Hooper to Celtic eg. They were replaced with …. Bobby Grant and Chris Dagnall!

    To be a success in the Championship you need either Championship players or an exceptional manager or both. We lost both!

    Was Alexander good enough to be a Championship manager? Not sure.

    Was PS good enough manage the budget of a traditionally L1/2 club to keep them in the second tier? Doubtful.

    I mentioned Yeovil because they hit the heights of the Championship just as we were dropping back into L2, but their plummet back down to non-league was just as spectacular (if not more so) as our own.

    I think in the present ownership’s boom and bust era we’d have come back down after one season and continued pretty much as we have since!

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    Madden’s still doing the business, he was just going through a baron run, could have just rested him. Selling him wasn’t a bad mistake. lol. Thanks for backing me up there Ferrite.

    Barren run, he wasn’t a member of the aristocracy to the best of my knowledge.

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    “Clearly pissed off here”. Please explain?

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    Manager played him out wide which was not his game. He knew that and sulked, the fans knew that and moaned, you must have noticed.

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