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I’m saying give Butler time, in the main because he’s a relatively new manager and is still learning and developing.
Is he though? I don’t want a change of manager, I want him to learn and develop.
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Wonder Goals wrote:-“This squad needs balancing up. It’s a wonder Butler didn’t think to himself when he got those players in to play this formation, what happens if it doesn’t work !” AND
Iron414 wrote:-“There’s no denying the recruitment has been really poor. Butler has recruited for the 5-3-2 but the players he’s brought in have all failed to make the cut.”This is what I find hard to understand. Butler wants to play with WBs, we didn’t have any when he took over and we didn’t sign any. So we have 3 FBs trying to be WBs and 3CMs that barely get a look in. Makes the recruitment seem even more bizarre, was 3-5-2 not the recruiters plan?
Good point cass .. being as no WBS were signed can we assume AB thinks that Barrows , Denton and Kelly are wing backs because they appear not to be.
I dont get why there hasnt been any activity in the loan market for a couple of players ..especially a striker when it was confirmed by Michelle and Mr Sharp at the fans forum money was there if needed…maybe cant find anyone suitable ?? lets just hope who ever does come in its soon and they are better than whats already arrived.
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I’m saying give Butler time, in the main because he’s a relatively new manager and is still learning and developing.
Is he though? I don’t want a change of manager, I want him to learn and develop.
Good question. I think we’re yet to see any evidence that he’s learning (or even willing to learn). The warning signs have been there long enough (even back in August when we were getting results but putting in sub-par displays), but we’re yet to see any system change, adaptation or effective use of the squad / subs. Evidence so far points to the contrary, that he’s stubborn as an ox and sees no reason to change anything, he’s said as much in every interview.
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I posted this on the Southport Match Thread:
More of the same, really: As much as the manager and his coaches can do, some of Jimmy’s Mercanaries can turn up, loaf around and still get paid because nobody else can afford to or want to take them. Sad state of affairs but there we are!
And there lies a problem.
Damn those overpaid Jimmy & Hilton signings; Cal Robert’s, Danny Whitehall and Ross Fitz. Question though, Where in the league do you think we would be sitting without them? I despise ‘sir-four-names’ as much as the next chap, but there’s no hiding from the reality that the players signed during his tenure are carrying the team this season. When they depart this summer there will need to be a serious rethink in the recruitment dept, as the dynamic duo Turnbull and Butler, couldn’t spot a great white in a fish pond.
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How can you forget which football forum you’re on in just 1 week?
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Butlers full of shite, if he’s not defensively minded first and foremost then the grass must not be green.
Far too safe. There was a post further up regarding high earners at the club which are biting into the budget. Evans for instance could easily be moved on for two cheaper players and he wouldn’t be too much of a miss.
Whitehall is frustrating at times, but at the moment he’s imperative. I bet there’s a player out there though that’s just as effective who won’t want as much money, but it’s just finding him.
Evans I’m not that impressed with though and certainly won’t be worth his wage packet. Denton will be on a fair wedge as well, is he really that impressive that we couldn’t replace him with a comparable player who won’t be on a much money ?
I like him, but what’s he really contributed in terms of goals and assists ?
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Think you must have stumbled onto the wrong clubs forum Ferrite, based on what you’ve described, as I’m certain you can’t be referring to Butler as ‘promising’? If so, too much sun on your holiday perhaps?
I’ve helped you make your post a little more accurate:
a young, promising manager who has led the club to the top of the table whilst having to deal with a vastly reduced budget, combining highly paid stars with more modestly remunerated squad members?
An arrogant and inexperienced manager, who has given away a nine point lead by guiding us to win only 2 of our last 8 league games (best to forget the FA cups ones), whilst having the biggest budget in the league, gifted with the best players in the league and having had a summer transfer window to bring in his own signings, all of whom have failed to make any impact. Not forgetting the added luxury of being one of the few full time outfits and having the best training and match day facilities on hand.
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Arrogant / stubborn ; determined not to change in spite of good reason to. Think that’s just an honest assessment of the managers current position, nothing too personal, unless you’re very easily offended? Wasn’t it you who brought the term ‘simpleton’ to the forum?
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There does seem to have been an agenda from a small section to just right Butler off from the start, and while such statements about Butler are not the most outrageous ever, it does show a judgmental and coloured view.
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‘Agenda’ you say Siderite? Surely not, from some supporters who were in ‘turmoil’ about Butler’s appointment, Ogle and Butterfield leaving? MKI predicted it right; the first bad performance after Farsley and the Butler Out mob would be trooping out, either on here or other platforms. More so than I imagined. It’s just divisive and damaging tbh.
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You say “given away a 9 point lead”.
Does he not deserve credit for getting that 9 point lead in the first place?
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Whitehall is frustrating at times, but at the moment he’s imperative. I bet there’s a player out there though that’s just as effective who won’t want as much money, but it’s just finding him.
Declan Howe @ Trinity.
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Yes, I do see my howler of an error with my English in my last post. I blame my headache.
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You say “given away a 9 point lead”.
Does he not deserve credit for getting that 9 point lead in the first place?
Exactly. It’s as though someone else was in charge.
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There was a post further up regarding high earners at the club which are biting into the budget. Evans for instance could easily be moved on for two cheaper players and he wouldn’t be too much of a miss.
Evans signed a new 2 year deal in June so his wage will be within the new budget constraints surely.
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Today’s posts don’t really change my opinion on that.
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You say “given away a 9 point lead”.
Does he not deserve credit for getting that 9 point lead in the first place?
He got the credit didn’t he? Plenty of it if memory serves, even when the performances weren’t great but we were getting results. He scooped the manager of the month award, the full-time fist pumping was in full force and credit was being served where it was due. Now he’s fluffed the 9 point lead, got us knocked out the cup and has us playing out a 0-0 bore draw at home to relegation fodder. But we should still keep applauding the results we were getting back in August? Come off it!
So you have decided that we should walk the league.
You expect us to win every, or nearly every, game.
All other teams are crap, underfunded, tired from working, part-time, not training properly etc etc.
Your vast knowledge, and obviously superior, football brain would surely make you an obvious candidate as our next manager. Have you put your application in yet?
PS I never said that we should still be applauding him, but you make out as if he only came on board when we had a dip in form.
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