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    SharpShooter24Sharp_Shooter24
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    I’ll be absolutely amazed!!

    *We are Awful to watch far too often
    *Opposition managers way ahead of him
    *Defensive mindset with no idea how to attack
    *Slow, turgid, sideways/backwards play
    *Players are congested… zero width or play into space

    Of course we’ll offer out some spankings… we are playing part time/semi pro/amateur opposition, every now and again that’ll just play out regardless of tactics and set up!!!

    If we are top 3 come January I’ll be amazed.

    Let’s not forget Butlers got…

    *The best squad of players in the league
    *Heavily invested squad – Probably the most expensive in the league
    *Best individual players in the league for most if not all positions
    *Great stadium and facilities
    *Biggest fan base and best backing

    It’s just so frustrating listening to him tell us we played a ‘really good team’ … we didn’t!!
    This is the national league north!!
    Get a grip and be honest… most teams are absolutely garbage!!

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    #292806
    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    He’ll still be here.

    6,464 was the average attendance in the Championship in 2009-10

    4,038 was the average attendance in NLN in season 2023-24

    On average, an additional 2,426 people watched SUFC playing four divisions higher.

    Is it better to be a big fish in a small pond or…

    What are the pros & cons of regaining league status?

    Would we be sustainable in L2?

    Whilst attendances remain at 4,000 is it economically more viable remaining at the level we are?

    Do the Board want promotion or are they more than happy to consolidate for a number of years in order to ensure the club is on sound financial foundations?

    It’s all a bit of a soap opera

    #292808
    ironkingironking
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    I could not agree more Sharp_Shooter.

    The poor on field activity is over-shadowing the good off-field activity at our club.

    We have gone from a nine point lead to precariously perched on goal difference.

    The clubs strengths you point out are being undermined by poor and negative management.

    As another poster said “we don’t want to change the management but we want change from the management.”

    But it won’t be long the rumblings are beginning.

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    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    If you appoint internally then you’ll always have someone who was part of last year’s problems.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    ‘As another poster said “we don’t want to change the management but we want change from the management.”

    But it won’t be long the rumblings are beginning.’

    I’d like to take point with this if I may without being accused of ‘picking fights’ ‘handbags’ etc by 414. Totally agree with your first point but the more the second point is repeated the bigger likelihood of it becoming a self fulfilling prophecy and we end up as Sackgate again and onlookers will think ‘wtf is that club doing? Look at their position’

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    lesgeolesgeo
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    I want to see the club have managerial stability – preferably with AB.
    (I had wondered however, what differences there might have been if his assistant had been in the driving seat. Bags of experience there.)

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    Well, I’m pretty sure I’ve seen criticism of him bring too old skool online somewhere so there would be possible flak there anyway

    #292853
    Square Ball BullimoreSquare Ball Bullimore
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    Is mick Buxton available ?

    #292856
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    No one can say I haven’t given my support to managers down the years and wanting and to give them a decent shout at the job.
    Sorry but that finally ended with Jimmy failing to get us promotion, when the writing was on the cards was there for him most of the season, I see the same writing on the wall this season with Butler.
    What do others see that’s different from last season barring his names not Dean who also had us at top of the league by the way.
    He’s not brought in a single player in that has improved the squad, even WGs great hope Carlton as been a dud, bulled up so much even i was buying into him but when he gets his chance where was he yesterday when he was needed.
    Targets games. appears he even targets a point what’s the mantra ” don’t concede and you get a least a point”
    Be well happy for you tell me what I’m missing about him .

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    #292862
    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    Away, he’s only just come back from injury and isn’t match fit. Pinning our misfortune on him isn’t exactly fair. Bit of a disaster up to now with injury problems, but he’s going to need time. Only problem is he’s going to need time we simply don’t have.

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    #292871
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    I was fair I mentioned all of the signings, and out of all of them I said I was beginning to buy into him none of the others, when you get your chance you’ve got to take it whenever it comes.
    Bench warming at best on Tues if Danny is fit, if played got to show his worth, simple really.

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    #292873
    dandaherron@yahoo.co.ukJust Iron
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    Carlton needs a bit of time to get up to speed. Heaping expectations too early will put him back with the physio.

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    Striving for managerial stability shouldn’t be a reason so keep someone in-post who isn’t up to the job. And in our quest to achieve managerial stability, perhaps it would be preferable to ‘rip off the bandage’ sooner rather than later and get the correct appointment in place, so we can move forward with aforementioned stability.

    For clarity I’m not suggesting that the time is now. But we have lost a 9 point cushion in 6 games, if we do that again in the next 6 games it put us mid table, outside of the play offs and at that time I would hope we are in a position to act promptly. Perhaps some managerial window shopping would be appropriate?

    He’s not brought in a single player that has improved the squad, even WGs great hope Carlton as been a dud

    There’s no denying the recruitment has been really poor. Butler has recruited for the 5-3-2 but the players he’s brought in have all failed to make the cut. If we are able to bring in a new signing or two I’m not convinced Butler has the ability to identify the correct player/s.

    Given we have limited resources perhaps we should sit tight until either a) Butler proves himself or b) we part ways and let the new man bring in his own players in the hope that he’s got a better eye than Butler.

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    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    Carlton needs a bit of time to get up to speed. Heaping expectations too early will put him back with the physio.

    Don’t attempt talking common sense about football to Awaywego JI, you should know by now it only confuses him.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    ‘Given we have limited resources perhaps we should sit tight until either a) Butler proves himself or b) we part ways and let the new man bring in his own players in the hope that he’s got a better eye than Butler.’

    Have you become de facto club owner or summerts?

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    ironfromafarironfromafar
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    Without doubt the players brought in so far (who ever identified them as worth a punt AB LT ?) have been really poor.

    Charlton suspended and injured twice
    Rowley ..why ? never picked
    Fish eager young lad given little chance has had one good game
    Brogan benchwarmer
    Nicolson first few games looked a decent signing but all gone pear shaped recently and poor on numerous levels
    Shrimpton resigned why? never picked

    Not being a doom n gloom merchant but i just cant see us getting promoted if AB doesnt change his chosen formation which sadly appears to be cast in stone .. expect to see the odd exceptional performance now n then Brackley, Kiddy and Farsley but other than those its been really negative boring and totally underwhelming and IMO so lucky to still be top.

    Football is supposed to be entertaining trilling making fans eager to return for more alas whats being served up at the moment especially at home will drive fans away …no highlights vid of Radcliffe so far as probably werent any except the Fitz penalty save.

    Worryingly ABs post match interview wasnt a very inspiring listen how can a manager be happy with that …”Radcliffe are a good well organized side” IT THE RELEGATION ZONE .. i stopped listening a couple of minutes in before the customary “still top ov the league” sound bite

    Sticking with my pre season prediction of finishing 7-10th and even then no way AB will be sacked hes here to stay lets just hope he sees the light and changes this terrible system.

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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    Thanks to Butler whoever does end up coming in down the line “which is a forgone conclusion in my eyes” he/they are going to have to ship out say Shrimpton, Rowley and permacrock Law to get wide players in.

    I still think we’re a striker short too. This squad needs balancing up. It’s a wonder Butler didn’t think to himself when he got those players in to play this formation, what happens if it doesn’t work !

    Butler’s well and truly backed himself into a corner because he has no other alternative but to play this 5 at the back due to lack of options out wide.

    Next appointment we need a manager from this level with experience who knows who and what it takes to get out this division. We need to stop this in house managerial rubbish. It worked with Adkins, but I’d rather we didn’t go down this route again.

    Who’s it going to be next ?……Scunny bunny, toilet cleaner, pint puller from the Iron Bar ?

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    #292896
    ironfromafarironfromafar
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    Thanks to Butler whoever does end up coming in down the line “which is a forgone conclusion in my eyes” he/they are going to have to ship out say Shrimpton, Rowley and permacrock Law to get wide players in.

    I still think we’re a striker short too. This squad needs balancing up. It’s a wonder Butler didn’t think to himself when he got those players in to play this formation, what happens if it doesn’t work !

    Butler’s well and truly backed himself into a corner because he has no other alternative but to play this 5 at the back due to lack of options out wide.

    Next appointment we need a manager from this level with experience who knows who and what it takes to get out this division. We need to stop this in house managerial rubbish. It worked with Adkins, but I’d rather we didn’t go down this route again.

    Who’s it going to be next ?……Scunny bunny, toilet cleaner, pint puller from the Iron Bar ?

    Agree with just about all of that WGs except i cant see AB getting the boot anytime soon regardless where we finish and more so even in the event of a poor run of form which arguably we are in now .. FWIW IMO whilst we are in and around the top and play offs no way hes going no where however poor the performances.

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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    Agreed. Someone has to sit in the driving seat whilst the new board consolidates and reorganises the clubs debts & finances.
    Better a cheap rather than expensive “someone”

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    Butler needs to be given time, whether we like it or not. He’s still learning. A long way to go. Don’t be fooled by supporters who start present ‘should he stay or should he go?’ arguments seen elsewhere. Most likely they just want Butler out asap with little care for the damage it would inflict. The likes of X and the Facebook group are rife with them.

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    #292902
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    More of what we are getting at the moment and gates will plummet.
    Then we are trapped coz we shan’t be able to sign the couple of players we so desperately need.

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    I’m reading this thread at top of the league and wondering what sort of parallel universe some of the above are in . We are not a league club any more, we have players of a low standard as that’s what our income and league position indicates we can afford. We also have a few high earners who failed last season still dictating our style of play .Those high earners are making decent changes hard to make . Pointy and Divey are a huge problem for us. More than Butler in my opinion. I’d give him 3 years as I would most managers .Sick of this sacking cycle we’re in . The conman’s pals had to go but since we sacked Alexandre unfairly we’ve never recovered

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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    Pointy and Divey are a huge problem for us.

    …since we sacked Alexandre unfairly we’ve never recovered

    P&D … LOL

    GA … still dumbfounding!

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    I think ‘gates will plummet’ is a gross exaggeration tbh Les

    #292907
    lesgeolesgeo
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    We have been told that there was cash for loan players if …
    Losing a third of our 4,400 from a few weeks back seems probable rather than possible if we keep on giving bad displays.
    Losing points when playing attractive football is always less damaging.

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    I posted this on the Southport Match Thread:

    More of the same, really: As much as the manager and his coaches can do, some of Jimmy’s Mercanaries can turn up, loaf around and still get paid because nobody else can afford to or want to take them. Sad state of affairs but there we are!

    And there lies a problem.

    Least we now know the reasons for the multiple sackings up to McCall, painful as it was.

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    Whitehall has to be the first name on the teamsheet. We missed him hugely on Saturday.

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    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    There was none of this let’s give Dean time Deerey, all i heard he’s out his depth, jobs to big for him, not managed at this level, pub team manager. Even though he’d done really well in non league football,I didn’t want him out because of that in the end it was failing to get us promoted and the failure to change tactics and mainly a negative approach to games.
    Remind you of anyone.
    On entertainment what does a defender know about entertainment.

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    64 makes me smile, he’d give him 3 years, always being known to being known for showing such loyalty to a manager as our 64.

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    Wonder Goals wrote:-“This squad needs balancing up. It’s a wonder Butler didn’t think to himself when he got those players in to play this formation, what happens if it doesn’t work !” AND
    Iron414 wrote:-“There’s no denying the recruitment has been really poor. Butler has recruited for the 5-3-2 but the players he’s brought in have all failed to make the cut.”

    This is what I find hard to understand. Butler wants to play with WBs, we didn’t have any when he took over and we didn’t sign any. So we have 3 FBs trying to be WBs and 3CMs that barely get a look in. Makes the recruitment seem even more bizarre, was 3-5-2 not the recruiters plan?

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