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JustIron- “ Hope he continues on the path of redemption”. What sort of babbling is this you’ve invented?
The word redemption comes from the verb to redeem Bill. The meaning is to buy back or make good. It can be used in various contexts. I used it in the sense of a person going astray moving forward to a better place. I suspect that you only think about it in its theological usage and so have mistakenly seen an opportunity to score some sort of points on me.
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Let’s look at the facts. This club has again got a team to be proud of. We was hours from folding. To those with negative thoughts I ask you to go away and support another team. We have alot to thank Mr Hilton for. We all have done things which we later regretted.
Stay Mr Hilton and see this through , dont let the shit supporters ( if genuine supporters ) win. You can be the Boston Strangler for me , but how you have transformed my club in such a short time is amazing. Keep up the good work and good times and memories lay ahead.2 users thanked author for this post.
‘Hope he continues on the path of redemption.’
Serious question JI. At what point have you witnessed this redemption you speak of? Today, after being forced to admit? Sorry, not seeing it mate. Hollow words from him in my opinion.
Fair question,Deerey. And I may well be wrong. Sometimes you go by instinct.. gut feeling if you like ..and then make the call.
It may be linked to my own chequered past and the turn around that came.for me. Also perhaps to some past struggles with mental/emotional issues. Maybe this has distorted my judgment ..but I think I heard some raw honesty and genuine humility in an interview that he didn’t have to take. If I’m making an error of judgment I’d rather err on the side of grace rather than t’other way. IBs forensic analysis earlier could be bang on accurate ..but boy is it cold and merciless. I’d rather live next door to a broken guy struggling out of his mess than a cold-hearted pharisee.1 user thanked author for this post.
As someone just watching from afar and trying to make sense of it all, one thing that’s stuck out to me is that a fair number of the posts on Facebook and even here suggest that fans support Hilton because they fear there is no other alternative.
(Of course, others appreciate specific aspects of his ownership, from this year’s squad to engagement with fans, and that’s fine too.)
So I’m curious, do you think fans’ feelings toward Hilton would shift, especially after the story today, if there were parties interested in purchasing the club from him? Is it the man himself or the idea that he is the one person who would keep the club afloat?
There’s no right or wrong answer, of course, I’m just not in town to get the vibe of it all myself.
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‘You can be the Boston Strangler for me’
And there it is. Nothing he has done will make a jot for some.
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Let’s look at the facts. This club has again got a team to be proud of. We was hours from folding. To those with negative thoughts I ask you to go away and support another team. We have alot to thank Mr Hilton for. We all have done things which we later regretted.
Stay Mr Hilton and see this through , dont let the shit supporters ( if genuine supporters ) win. You can be the Boston Strangler for me , but how you have transformed my club in such a short time is amazing. Keep up the good work and good times and memories lay ahead.Yes, let us look at the facts. Where shall we start ? Week 1 when he shafted Nelson, or Week 34 when he admits he actually did have yet another name and was convicted of fraud ?
Who are we to judge, we are just the little people who pay their money to support a football team and pay their council tax. Maybe we have our own businesses and needed prompting by some helpful company to access a government scheme to reduce our rates, which we were also naive enough to actually be paying.
Wakey, wakey my friend, in 6 months time there is a real prospect that this guy will take us down the road to Gainsborough whilst Swann sells GP.2 users thanked author for this post.
‘Hope he continues on the path of redemption.’
Serious question JI. At what point have you witnessed this redemption you speak of? Today, after being forced to admit? Sorry, not seeing it mate. Hollow words from him in my opinion.
Fair question,Deerey. And I may well be wrong. Sometimes you go by instinct.. gut feeling if you like ..and then make the call.
It may be linked to my own chequered past and the turn around that came.for me. Also perhaps to some past struggles with mental/emotional issues. Maybe this has distorted my judgment ..but I think I heard some raw honesty and genuine humility in an interview that he didn’t have to take. If I’m making an error of judgment I’d rather err on the side of grace rather than t’other way. IBs forensic analysis earlier could be bang on accurate ..but boy is it cold and merciless. I’d rather live next door to a broken guy struggling out of his mess than a cold-hearted pharisee.I agree with the sentiment in looking for the best in people. However, some people will use their own pity to manipulate. Is David one of those or is he genuine? I am not going to make a full commitment, because I do not know his own mind. I do know that he has lied, hurled accusations against others for having concerns (many over these kind of rumours) and not apologised for this. He has hurled further accusations against the journalists for doing their job. What they unearthed would be hurtful to him, but the story was of public interest and it’s not their job to protect his feelings.
I have suffered with anxiety disorder and depression, so can understand and feel sorry for him with the thoughts he goes through. However, it’s not a justification for the continued poor behaviour displayed by him towards others. Did he think of others’ mental health (like the owners of this site) when he was making incendiary remarks against them? Unfortunately, it’s this which has made me sour and reduce my sympathy on this. I am sorry he deals with depression, but am not so sorry for his own decisions which have caused him grief.
If he goes, as some have suggested, I hope he stays a while to find a buyer. If he just clears off and leaves us in the lurch, I will think dimly of someone who would risk our club like that.
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‘happy when the club has gone .. sounds to me like just a shrug of the shoulders for some.’
Disappointing IFA. Do you really believe that? I understand a lot of supporters are legitimately worried that if he leaves the club will fold but that’s not necessarily the case. There’s a Board and steady income with no rent till at less Jan probably later. It’s up to them and him whether he stays or goes. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have opinions on the allegations in the The Atheltic piece and Hiltons response. You mention ‘blase’ and ‘a few porky pies’ in the same breath. Nothing blasé about it but there’s a lot more to it than a few porky pies. Have you read the whole article?
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I have to say that this thread raises some good points:
While you might be tempted to feel sorry for Hilton, even after he confirms the Athletic's story is correct – that he did time for fraud – if you stay to the end where he attacks Matt Slater, denying the story was in the public interest, you will hear someone unfit to run a club. https://t.co/vJ8Hm1eQfV
— Martin Calladine (@uglygame) September 11, 2023
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To summarise the indignant faction:
Lying criminal must leave the club. No ifs no buts.
But keep spending your dirty money David and taking the abuse until the White Knight arrives with some clean money and pays Mr Swann his £3m. Otherwise we really won’t like you.
Not much to ask is it.
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There is one point that all of you have overlooked, including Hilton.
From The Athletic:
“In a case that started at Nottingham Crown Court in late 2014, Anderson was also disqualified from being a company director for five years after pleading guilty to 15 charges.”
Yet Hilton became a director in the following businesses:
Reality Management Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Advent Corporation Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Centrepoint Marketing Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Stratton Enterprises Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Maxwell Cohen Ltd – appointed 28/06/18
Maxwell Cohen Estates Ltd – appointed 18/06/19
Acquisition And Property Management Ltd – appointed 18/06/19
DH Management And Holdings Ltd – appointed – 24/09/19As you can see, the 5 year disqualification period for David Anderson as reported by The Athletic and the directorships held by David Hilton during the disqualification period don’t reconcile.
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But keep spending your dirty money David and taking the abuse until the White Knight arrives with some clean money and pays Mr Swann his £3m. Otherwise we really won’t like you.
Not much to ask is it.
My concerns around Hilton rest largely on the fact that we still don’t know if he was the money to support the club. He hasn’t yet bought the ground. He’s assembled a presumably very expensive squad for this level. Yes we’re getting good crowds but are we financially sound? These were exactly the questions I raised for years around Swann, even when the going was apparently good at the top end of League 1. None of us want to see a repeat of that cycle, so we need to know for sure that Hilton is putting the club on a sound footing.
So I’m curious, do you think fans’ feelings toward Hilton would shift, especially after the story today, if there were parties interested in purchasing the club from him? Is it the man himself or the idea that he is the one person who would keep the club afloat?
I don’t think it would make any difference – there is a section of the fanbase which has become so deeply aligned with Hilton that it’s akin to expecting Trump’s supporters to change their views on him based on each indictment – it simply won’t happen.
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This whole sordid debacle is easy to resolve.
1. Swann sorts out the ‘ransom strip’
2. David Hilton completes the purchase of the ground as agreed
3. Scunthorpe United Football Club Limited pay the outstanding pension payments
4. Scunthorpe United Football Club Limited pay the outstanding player / staff wages
5. David Hilton reveals the source of his wealthNot all those need to happen to resolve this however, the last three are most important for me, and if done would wipe the slate clean, allowing the club, supporters, and chairman to put this all behind us and move on.
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After trawling through four pages of comments on this I have come to the conclusion that nothing has changed since Swann put the club up for sale.
We still haven’t been “saved” as yet!
The upturn in fortunes on the pitch is a welcome distraction, but merely papers over the cracks.
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