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September 29, 2024 at 10:13 am #291346
Some Drivel posted online, one suggesting Butterfield had he been retained would swat teams aside on his own, Mbappe style.
Time to cash in on some of the JD/DH Signings?
September 29, 2024 at 10:36 am #291349“Midfield is weak and needs a Ball winner who breaks up play, stops the opposition but then gets us forwards”.
We do, but this is the sixth tier of English football. As much as we have the pedigree of having been in the Championship and League 1 in the not too distant past these types of players are going to get better offers elsewhere. Particularly as Michelle is trying to keep the wage bill down.
It looks like loans are the only way of doing it.
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September 29, 2024 at 10:38 am #291350Couldn’t hear what Roberts was saying, did he have reasons for that poor display?
Probably saying he should have been on from the start and I wouldn’t disagree.September 29, 2024 at 11:02 am #291352When we play 5 defenders and 3 central midfielders who don’t score many, goal scoring is always going to be difficult.
No need to panic but if we persist with the 3-5-2 I would like butler to be more adventurous and play a winger at wing back. Having a player who can carry the ball upfield will give us a different outlet to going long all the time.September 29, 2024 at 11:41 am #291353We haven’t just ‘happened’ to lose 2 games back to back. Both results were entirely predictable.
We did well in the early games – from a purely points accumulation viewpoint, perhaps – but I did have reservations brewing after seeing the Needham Market game on TV.
What now worries me is that we cannot afford to sit on our hands and let several games go by before action is taken. We have a great position which – who knows – may not happen again for several seasons. We cannot allow the opportunity to slip through our fingers by inactivity.
If we do not have players already in our sights – we should have and with enquiries already made!1 user thanked author for this post.
September 29, 2024 at 12:09 pm #291356The club said itself they need to get out of this league this season. Butler isn’t going anywhere, and not should he, but he needs to come up with alternatives and also a list of players the club need to get on loan. It been clear for years 3-5-2 is hard for the players and produces poor quality football. We cannot afford to keep rolling out a formation with 7 defensive minded players out of 10 (keeper a given). If he insists on 3-5-2 then Barrows and Denton/Kelly are not the answer
September 29, 2024 at 12:35 pm #291357If we do change the formation around – it might just suit the fringe players better who aren’t apparently warming to the tricky 3-5-2 system. We perhaps need to know.
If they can’t adjust, we need to start clearing ’em out on loan – trouble is that we won’t get back all the wages we are are currently paying. Probably not even close.
As for Roberts, I suspect that he would be the winger that AWG would like to see if we change the system.
What’s more, for me, Nicholson is giving rise to concern.September 29, 2024 at 12:48 pm #291358Kai Corbett not starting at ‘shots.
Conor Smith out on loan from St J.
Ben Middlemas back at Sunderland after loan.
Enquiries about all 3 might get something.
Re above:- Nicholsons long throw is keeping Maxi/Evans out of the starting line up. It worked once early on but nothing since. If Butler can’t make it work more often then Nicholson, as the weakest CB IMO, must step aside. (Preferably with another CB to make room for more attacking potential)1 user thanked author for this post.
September 29, 2024 at 1:01 pm #291359Kai Corbett is exactly the type of player Butler should be after, energy aplenty, nice touch with both feet and helped out in defence many times. The fact Dean chose not to play him in those crucial games showed how utterly brainless he was.
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September 29, 2024 at 2:44 pm #291360Just seen this:-
“The winning goal was Lawlor’s first competitive strike for the Lions in 2534 days, a run stretching back to 21st October 2017 when the defender netted in a 4-2 win over Solihull Moors at Nethermoor in the Vanarama National League.”Unbelievable Jeff!!
September 29, 2024 at 4:40 pm #291361If player changes have to be made to try and make a system work it means the system is wrong. Then making those 7 changes for the previous cup game was wrong and the momentum seems to have been lost.
I accept defeats happen, I also understand we must win the league but the moment you hear ” After 9 league games if someone said we have 20 pts and 3 pts clear at the top…..” is said our aims have changed. We should be trying to win EVERY game.
But let us see what happens over the next 6 games.
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September 29, 2024 at 5:00 pm #291362I don’t like the idea of focussing on the league and not the cup. Wins build confidence, momentum and belief, including the fans for the latter. Losses can deflate. We won’t win every game, but we should be trying our best to do that.
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September 29, 2024 at 5:15 pm #291363I accept defeats happen, I also understand we must win the league but the moment you hear ” After 9 league games if someone said we have 20 pts and 3 pts clear at the top…..” is said our aims have changed. We should be trying to win EVERY game.
Butler says frequently that he wants to win every game. Sadly he seems to forget he said that when it comes to picking the team which seems more like a ‘not lose’ selection to me.
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September 30, 2024 at 8:47 pm #291382A really poor listen (when I finally managed to get the humberside commentary on via the tele!) sounded like the team didn’t turn up, despite a seemingly strong line up. Results like this make you wonder if a ‘cheap’ management appointment and cutting the wage budget so much could turn out be a false economy. A good cup run and a decent manager would have covered his own wages. If performances persist in the same vein and gates drop have we really saved any money? Ugly football makes for tough watching, but if we’re getting results the fair weathers will still turn up. But ugly football and losing games, that’s another matter.
I expected the football to be defensive under Butler but what’s alarming is how we seem to have lost all ability to pass a football. Perhaps the time spent in the swimming pool and boxing ring during preseason, should have been spent doing some simple passing and shooting drills.
Some Drivel posted online, one suggesting Butterfield had he been retained would swat teams aside on his own, Mbappe style.
Time to cash in on some of the JD/DH Signings?
Whilst he might not be Mbappe we are definitely missing his 20+ goal contributions from last season. How many have we scored from midfield so far this year? His long range screamers and individual moments of quality, he was able to create a goal from nothing, something we could definitely have done with on Saturday.
The trouble is that a footballer like Butterfield makes the players around him look better than they probably are. His calmness and composure on the ball, ability to dictate play and make the intelligent pass made us a better team and flattered his teammates. How many times last season did we fall to bits when he was subbed off? The game at GP vs Boston when he got the concussion springs to mind straight off the bat. This year Clunan, Scales, Robert’s et al all look half the players they were last year, and even then we weren’t good enough.
Speaking of our dearly departed I think Ogle and his charging runs would be doing a much better job down the flank than Barrows currently is and now we’re persisting with playing two upfront not having Elliott in the squad is a massive miss too.
The players we’ve brought in have flopped so far and Butler doesn’t have the confidence to start any of them (bar Nicholson) even when the team is in need of something different. The cameo appearances off the bench haven’t given us any reason to think they can improve the side and only one new recruit nailing down a starting spot begs the question, what is Lee Turnbull adding? Surely his wages could be better spent improving the squad or dare I say, bringing in an experienced manager?
I fear we are stuck with Butlerball for the duration but hold some hope we can turn this around under the guidance of someone who knows what they are doing. If we don’t go up this year we lose Robert’s, Whitehall, Fitz, Clunan and Kougan at a minimum as they are all still on the Hilton wages. Then we could be stuck in this nasty league for a long time to come.
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October 4, 2024 at 12:00 pm #291522Yes but the players trained well this week … i have never heard any manager say … we have had a terrible weeks training.
October 4, 2024 at 2:40 pm #291530Dean probably should have said it given how unfit the players looked. Hill probably should have said it and then added, ‘so I hear’.
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