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“There is an interesting point in there, though. If someone has a minority view, they should be welcome to put forward their ideas without hassle”.
The point I was mischievously making! Emphasised again by Ms Truss and her ludicrous attempt to stifle argument through her invention of the anti growth coalition.
If she’s so sure, put it to a general election and we will see where the majority view is.
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Aye, excellent point, Heathy. What do you think, JI??
As for BI’s comment on parties not being interested in growth for the past 20 years, it was never more starkly demonstrated than when the racists, cheats, liars and Dominic Cummings came in and effectively torched growth by withdrawing from the EU, in what was the biggest act of economic sef-harm in the history of the country, one enthusiastically supported by, erm… BI.
“However, I chose to leave because I wasn’t happy with the way the EU wanted to put more power into the hands of unelected bureaucrats. Economics didn’t come into it”
Bloody Hell! It should have done.
It’s knackered more small businesses than Covid and Putin put together.
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I have no problem at all with immigration and believe it to be a good thing. The downside is that this inevitably puts a lot more pressure on public services, including the NHS, and that is a problem.
This was one of the biggest lies put about during the Brexit campaign.
In fact immigrants tend to be young, single, and compared to Brits, they don’t access public services very much, yet pay tax which contributes to the those services needed most by the elderly and low-paid of this country, particularly social and health care, as many on this board know too well.
You really need to support what you say with some facts BI, instead of spreading around rumours and lies in the manner of a demented Daily Mail.
https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/blogs/immigration-and-the-nhs-the-evidence
The problems really began after Maastricht and, more recently, Lisbon.
No, the problems began when Cameron and Clegg conspicuously failed to deal with an economic crisis. So, they needed an excuse, a distraction, and nicked UKIP’s USP’s, blaming immigrants, blaming “unelected bureaucrats”, and offering a referendum on EU membership.
Most papers/broadcasters went along with it, conveniently forgetting about all the unelected rulers and direct drains on the public purse of this country – the monarchy, aristocracy and lords to name but a few, not to mention the democratic deficiency of the first-past-the-post voting system.
And thanks to an orchestrated campaign across social media with fake identities, bots, trolls etc. the campaign worked. For a brief moment the country lost its collective senses and went mad, dividing families, friends and neighbours, and voting to impose economic sanctions on itself in the name of blue passports and foreigners.
Now, most have woken up (pun intended) and realised the extent to which their pockets have been picked, while Downing St. boasts of opening up chicken markets in Mongolia or similar, and BI still tries to sell the dated view that everything’s fine and dandy.
All so tired, so out of time, so out of place. And sad.
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In fact, the IMF have warned of a sharp reduction in growth today, so the idea they back this plan is fanciful to say the least.
The idea that the mini-budget has nothing to do with that, when the gilts rose (and have risen again) catastrophically, causing the BoE to intervene 3 times, only after that is a bit much.
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The downside is that this (immigration) inevitably puts a lot more pressure on public services, including the NHS, and that is a problem.
You wilfully miss the point.
Once again, you repeat the myth about migration putting pressure on public services, particularly the NHS.
It’s a frequently used argument which tries to conceal racism under the cloak of a legitimate concern, while suggesting there’s something inherently ‘bad’ about making provision for the public; that somehow decent public services are an abberation that shouldn’t happen.
It’s also false argument about elderly migrants, because most migrants tend to be young, single, healthy and wanting to work and pay tax. The stats are in my OP.
You rightly point out that around 20 per cent of the UK population is over 65, (that’s 20 per cent of 67 million) and around 12 per cent of migrants are 65 or over. But, that’s 12 per cent of the 9.5 million who were not born in the UK, not 12 per cent of 67 million!
And, the reality is that almost all the 12% of 65+ non-Brits, are citizens who have lived and worked here most of their lives, starting families and paying taxes just like anyone else.
Alas, in true Mail style, you try to create a fearful impression of elderly men and women ‘illegals’, scrambling up the beaches, straight to the front of the queue in the nearest hospital.
It’s an ancient trope guaranteed to anger the elderly, who really depend on our broken-down, under-funded public services.
Indeed, wasn’t it Teresa May and her climate of hostility who very publically went round Brixton and elsewhere in a bid to round up elderly, long-retired Windrush migrants and send them back after decades of living and working here, simply because they had never applied for a British passport? It must have looked terrific to the racists in the party, a real piece of populist politics aimed at drawing Kippers back into the blue fold! The nasty party indeed.
As for the “big impact” you claim elderly immigrants have had on public services, they certainly have. They’ve been propping up the public services since the 1950s, driving buses, cleaning trains, streets, hospitals, doing a lot of jobs Brits thought were beneath them…. And that’s while putting up with years of racism, abuse, arrogance and passive hostility from the populist press and people like yourself, probably while looking after your elderly mother, and now or in future, yourself. You should be ashamed.
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