‘Growth growth growth!’

[Deereyme66]

…and grin moronically whilst offering nothing about how you’re going to achieve it. Total airhead if you ask me.

[64]

Total airhead, pretending she’s not been in government recently lol.Didnt fact check her school claim or ask a band about using their song (schoolgirl error) always ends badly. Neo Liberalism has failed us completely yet she doubles down on it.No moral or political beliefs of her own,just spewing out what she hopes the blue ringers want to hear.She’s about to find out that the few thousand blue rinsers who couldn’t stomach the idea of a brown PM just yet, don’t represent anyone else in this country of millions

[Deereyme66]

Even less popular than Corbyn according to opinion polls. That’s hilarious.

[Siderite]

I don’t think it’s fair to say race had anything to do with the decision of Truss over Sunak. Kemi Badenoch was the most popular of all Tory candidates among members.

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Just Iron

[Deereyme66]

Careful what you say anyway. However innocuous, Bucks may find some way to spin it in the future

[64]

Deerey,don’t you have enough threads dedicated to your row with Bucks without starting on this one too?
Imagine if we have an extra customer base with about 400m people on our doorstep,imagine if we allowed the free movement of goods and services to and from them.would that grow the economy?

[Iron-awe]

Ah yes but that ship has sailed already on a wave of democracy.

[Bucksiron]

‘Race’, just how ridiculous can people get. Except I forgot, of course, that the Tories don’t have proper black people. Jeez.

As for “offering nothing about how growth’s going to be achieved”, I mean, just as ridiculous.

Here you see a great example of the constructive arguments put forward by the usual suspects.

[Siderite]

I, for one, have never said the first sentence and I was disagreeing with someone who made the claim that Sunak wasn’t favoured because of race/ethnicity. I don’t know why you picked up on that, I thought you’d agree on that point. Unless I am misinterpreting your direction with that (I am doing so, because you are quoting me, the only one person to say race – I may be being sensitive, but I am used to being misrepresented by you now).

That second quote is a stated opinion, not one argued out, but one valid and not ridiculous just because you disagree.

[Bucksiron]

Heavens, Siderite, and you think I claim to be a victim? I was actually AGREEING with you.

[Siderite]

Read the bit in brackets. I was clarifying that I may have misunderstood.

[64]

“Anti growth coalition” creating an enemy is easier than being truthful,makes a change from directing us to immigration

[64]

Liz Truss plants pie in hope of growing bigger pie

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TwoWrights

[Deereyme66]

‘Deerey,don’t you have enough threads dedicated to your row with Bucks without starting on this one too?’

Fair enough, but my comment wasn’t about a row with Bucks, it’s about being careful what you post, in this case ‘race’ having something to do with the leadership election. I can just imagine how something like that could be misrepresented in the future. But hey, happy to leave it there.

[Heath]

“Anti growth coalition” creating an enemy is easier than being truthful,makes a change from directing us to immigration”

Totally pathetic trying to create a new enemy group out of anyone who disagrees with her, including many in her own party.

As if there isn’t enough division. Who has said that growth is bad?

She keeps banging on about a high wage economy, but the Tories always refuse to get involved in meaningful negotiations on pay to end disputes.

They love strikes!!!

[64]

I reckon growth is bad,

[Heath]

“Imagine if we have an extra customer base with about 400m people on our doorstep,imagine if we allowed the free movement of goods and services to and from them.would that grow the economy?”

There has been no bigger anti-growth coalition in this country over the past 6 years than the Brexiteers and the Tory party!

She’s too stupid to realise just how stupid she is.

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[Siderite]

The anti-growth coalition is a cheap and nasty way of trying to misrepresent opponents and framing her own plan as being foolproof for growth. There has been a worrying trend in politics, globally, of demonising critique and making out anyone criticising is doing so in bad faith.

[Deereyme66]

I thought the main opposition to her ‘mini budget’ plans was from her Party colleagues not other agencies? What is it? Some advisors suggesting they blame someone else again?

[64]

Yeah,the paedophile princes ex adviser no doubt.I hate these charisma vacumns and there afflicted hand movements,acted pauses and timed water swigs. Theresa May was pretty weak but she certainly had more class and was less of a national embarrassment than Truss or Johnson.

[Iron-awe]

…and of course she had to go down the ” militant unions ” road, what a complete talentless, out of touch person she is.

[Bucksiron]

All the evidence suggests the parties haven’t been interested in growth for the last 20 years or so. The usual suspects on here all want higher spending without austerity but that’s impossible if you don’t generate the wealth required to fund it.

This is why Truss is taking a big political risk, but she’s doing it for exactly the right reasons. If it comes off — and it could — you’re likely to see the opinion polls changing just as fast as they have in recent weeks, only in the other direction.

[Siderite]

One problem. There is no evidence Truss’s plan will even generate growth. However, I await to be demonised as a ‘usual suspect’ or whatever, because I dare to disagree with Bucks.

If you’re pinning your hopes on this, prepare to be disappointed, because it’s a tough ask to change now. The public don’t like it, because they’re not idiots, and can see what the consequences mean for them.

Like I said, from an electoral prospective, there is a reason why Labour are laughing their heads off and Tories should consider why before dismissing and pointing to hypothetical poll boosts from a point where Truss is even less popular than Corbyn.

[Deereyme66]

According to the IFS it won’t work. This from the conclusion of their latest report:

‘Planned discretionary reforms to taxes are returning money to households, with the richest gaining the most. But at the same time, freezes to tax and benefit parameters are significantly and stealthily changing the scope and size of taxes and benefits over time. As prices increase, they drag more people into the tax system and into higher rates of tax, increasing the tax burden, while eroding the value of benefits and reducing the number of people eligible.

The magnitude of these subtle changes should not be understated, as they more than cancel out the impact of the two high-profile explicit policy reforms – the planned cuts to the rates of National Insurance and income tax. For every £1 households on average will gain from these planned tax cuts in 2025–26, they will lose £2 as a result of policy roll-outs and freezes to tax and benefit parameters. Overall, the progressive effect of freezes and policy roll-outs is more than outweighed by the impact of the discretionary tax changes, making the combined impact of changes to the system broadly regressive.’

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Heath

[Deereyme66]

The full IFS report is here. Lengthy but you may find the key findings and full conclusion interesting. Points to stormy seas ahead…

https://ifs.org.uk/publications/reforms-roll-outs-and-freezes-tax-and-benefit-system

[Siderite]

You should know by now, Deerey, that the IFS or anyone arguing along similar lines can just be dismissed because they’re left wing/’experts’ we should be cynical of/part of the anti-growth coalition. ;-)

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Northumbiron

[TwoWrights]

Bucksiron wrote:

All the evidence suggests the parties haven’t been interested in growth for the last 20 years or so. The usual suspects on here all want higher spending without austerity but that’s impossible if you don’t generate the wealth required to fund it.

This is why Truss is taking a big political risk, but she’s doing it for exactly the right reasons. If it comes off — and it could — you’re likely to see the opinion polls changing just as fast as they have in recent weeks, only in the other direction.

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I’ll give you my opinion of Truss and her ilk, removed from the masses gits! Mrs Two’s mother had a fall earlier this year, I took her to a&e and after a six hour wait (pretty quick these days!) the doctor told us it was just soft tissue damage and there was no need for an x-ray and just to use something like Ralgex, so we took her home. Two days later she deteriorated so we called 111 and they advised calling for an ambulance, twelve hours later one turned up, then followed a four and a half hour wait outside a&e with another seventeen ambulances. An x-ray showed she’d broken her hip!
Yesterday a good friend of mine knew he was having a heart attack so called 999, they asked him if anyone could go to him until an ambulance could get there, his wife rushed home from work and had to give him CPR until the ambulance got there ‘just’ one hour later, absolutely disgusting in both cases.
I’m sure you’ll have all the answers to improve matters but I have just one. Make it mandatory that all politicians have to solely use the NHS for the rest of their life with private treatment banned, on pain of a jail sentence. I have a suspicion that things would improve, and improve somewhat rapidly.

[Just Iron]

‘Ah yes but that ship has sailed already on a wave of democracy.’

Yup … freaking idiots. There’s been such a decline in the intelligence and nous of so many people in this country that it’s time we rebranded that outdated notion of the majority getting their way. It’s just popularism really. The decisions should be in the hands of those (of us) who see the world as it really is .. saving people from themselves I reckon.

[Iron-awe]

I was stating the obvious and you mis read and bit, classic JI, nice one. The majority should get there way but it’s not a crime to question their thinking on why the reached their decision, or maybe in your world it is 🤔

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Just Iron, Heath

[Heath]

“The decisions should be in the hands of those (of us) who see the world as it really is .. saving people from themselves I reckon”.

If the majority view is the path to follow, we could have a referendum on God. What do you think JI?

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