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  • #293634
    lesgeolesgeo
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    It sounds unreal, IA – when put in those terms – but it isn’t!

    #293635
    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    I know les, sometimes when you state the actual facts it’s a real head scratcher when the reality doesn’t back them up.

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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    Read twitter posts and listen to people on a match day and we all say exactly the same thing about the formation not working. Butler after yet another defeat and a terrible performance is still claiming the formation is fine.

    Up to press this season we’ve had two complete performances and one of those was against a shocking Farsley side. I honestly don’t know what he’s watching.

    I’m puzzled as to why fans are thinking more players are going to turn this around with Butler in charge. The man is in complete and utter denial.

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    #293637
    sugij limsugij lim
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    To be honest, I think Andy exceeded my expectations.
    Against a weaker team, we won with a relatively large score.
    And with the teams in the top half of the table, we can still fight even if we lose some.
    We must not forget that this is a time when budgets are low and the goal is still not promotion.
    Because if we were to get promoted now, the players we have and the budget are unlikely to keep us in the National League.
    Michele is not a successful businesswoman, so she will not be able to make us successful anytime soon.
    Andy is just a full-time manager in his first year. He still has a lot to learn about tactics. For now, he still has to use tactics that are suitable for the players with the budget.

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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    Through Turnbull, the Board should issue a directive to Buttler to play 4-4-2
    The squad is threadbare of quality & quantity and 4-4-2 is simpler & better suited to the personnel.
    This directive should be announced to the supporters.
    Failure to implement the Board’s directive should result in…

    They won’t and shouldn’t do that. It would be the death knell and a sign of no confidence in Butler. If Butler fails, as he is doing presently, he will fall on his own sword.

    How are they going to afford to sack him… they’ve (as we all know) just extended his contract.
    Groundhog Day?

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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    Rene is clearly a very passionate fan and can be entertaining at times on this forum but he gets a little carried away sometimes, I’m guessing even he realises that particular post of his was complete rubbish.

    I was utterly frustrated that Butler continues to employ the same. A post siesta tipple and that frustration induced a rush of blood to the head.
    Of course they can’t & wont… but how do we get muffin the mule to change?

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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    Through Turnbull, the Board should issue a directive to Buttler to play 4-4-2
    The squad is threadbare of quality & quantity and 4-4-2 is simpler & better suited to the personnel.
    This directive should be announced to the supporters.
    Failure to implement the Board’s directive should result in…

    They won’t and shouldn’t do that. It would be the death knell and a sign of no confidence in Butler. If Butler fails, as he is doing presently, he will fall on his own sword.

    Agree, once the board start meddling in team selection and so on, it’s only going one way.

    Agreed… Swann was useless as manager!

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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    I’d give him two seasons,I’m sick of upheaval.Dean had to go,he was damaged goods and part of what made the Iron so toxic.

    My personal ethos is that all teams should have to end the season with the same manager as they start it…. Regardless of the league they play in.
    Recruitment is key.

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    Seems like some aren’t believing in the “in Michelle we trust” anymore. Did she not say that promotion was the aim and expected outcome for the season, none of this middle of the table shite that 64 and others are posting.
    She gave Butler probably the biggest budget in the league, half the teams aren’t getting 1000 through the turn styles, so in what world would it be acceptable to finish mid table. Buxton averaging 690 what does that say, it says Butler is out his depth.
    Ya know like everyone was proclaiming Jimmy was and he achieved 2nd place at ease, that wasn’t good enough so just the same it won’t be acceptable for Butler if he doesn’t get us promotion.

    Bad to Worse?
    Hill… Dean… Butler
    In desperation, we have become a sacking club.
    I personally don’t want him sacked.
    I want a change in formation and strategy. Players selected on merit. A high press, tempo, passion, effort, desire, a desperation to win, to win by putting their bodies on the line… blood, sweat and tears!
    Promo or Go?
    Or, just Go?
    The story will unravel.

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    We must not forget that this is a time when budgets are low and the goal is still not promotion.
    Andy is just a full-time manager in his first year. He still has a lot to learn about tactics. For now, he still has to use tactics that are suitable for the players with the budget.

    A couple of bits from your post that I have to challenge.
    1. The board have stated that promotion is the aim.
    2. A major issue recognised by many is that he does not have the players for the system he uses. “he still has to use tactics that are suitable for the players with the budget.” That’s all we’re asking for.

    #293653
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    Wonder which teams Butler played is 600 games played with the tactics he’s adopted, certainly not when he played here, experience is only ever good if you use it he’s no need to reinvent the wheel, unless you’ve got that ego that you know best and go for square wheel’s but it won’t get you anywhere.

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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    Butler at the minute has the players to play a 4/3/3 formation, all he has to do is move the players around, but clearly won’t do it. Butler still thinks his formation is the one we need.

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    IronaweIronawe
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    Football is awash with ex pros who are useless at management, some very high profile ones to boot. Do fans know better? Probably not but you don’t need to be Zidane to see something isn’t working, we’re in the relegation spots on the form table for the last 8 or so games – with the resources available that is really bad.

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    Speaking with a chorley fan account on twitter who replied to a post about Carlton and he’s just confirmed what we all suspected. Carlton played as winger during his time for both Farsley and the Chorley. Left hand side of a front 3 at both clubs according to the Chorley account.

    What made Butler sign him as an out and out striker ?. No wonder he’s struggling when you combine that with his over eagerness to impress and still finding match fitness.

    #293767
    ironkingironking
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    ABs post match interview kept going on about and reinforcing the system he plays.

    If the system is so good why does he need to do that?

    Buxton played three across the back extremely well, they didn’t crowd the defence or midfield with two wingbacks as ABs useless system does.

    We are now at a precarious 4th with teams around us in better form and similar on points.

    I have no faith in AB turning things around and we will be lucky to scrape into the playoffs at the current rate.

    So how long do we persist before a managerial change is inevitable even to those in a position to do something about it.

    Any new manager (and I do not want Schofield) would need time to settle, influence and turn things around.

    Where is that point in the playing calender? It’s Christmas at the latest for me.

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    #293769
    lesgeolesgeo
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    Sooner, if he insists on keeping this wretched system.

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    SST (information usually sound) reports on another thread that Luke Williams and Mark Beck are the two players we’re after. I can’t see that improving the current system as neither are WBs or CDs so my wildly optimistic hope is that this could bring change. How about a 4-1-3-2 with 3 from Roberts Williams Beestin and Carlton behind Beck and Whitehall?
    I’ll get me coat!

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    Less a change of system I’m afraid, more Butlers response as to why his system isn’t working lately.

    Can’t be the 7 defensive players. They are only gifting poor teams about 3 goals a game – apart from Radcliffe who were not even good enough to accept their gift invitations.

    It must be those useless attackers. The 4 of them can’t even dominate an 8 or 9 man defence.

    At least Luke can take residence of the Jordan Hallam memorial physio bench now Roberts and Beestin (thankfully) have stopped sharing it.

    He might have to push Law aside – not a difficult task based on his few cameo appearances.

    Don’t know what Turnbull did that warranted termination but it must have been bad to have beaten a couple of more obvious candidates out of the door.

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    As a fan base we should get back to wanting demanding a total clear out, in the main we all wanted and expected to set us on a new path. You cant expect change when there’s no will to do it properly from top to bottom.
    Anyway at least it’s a start.

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    RoamingBullRoamingBull
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    Exactly this!

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    Yes it’s very strange when an ex professional footballer with over 600 career appearances, professional coaching badges and a wealth of professional football knowledge gleaned from well over 20 years in the professional game doesn’t realise he’s getting it wrong, whereas a group of well intentioned football fans with I’m guessing no professional based knowledge of the game whatsoever save observing the game over many years can. It always has baffled me that.

    Typically happens when surrounded by yes-men. Business, government, sport….

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    2-1 down made substitutions and still played 5 across the back!!!!

    Two players shone today Beck and Brogan the latter was our most creative player.

    So you have a duel footed fullback in Kelly, and your most creative midfielder Brogan, so who would you put to fullback to maintain your 5 across the back?

    Yes of course Andy, the answer is Kelly, you eventually got there and put Brogan back to midfield, after creating nothing for the 20 minutes he was at fullback.

    You are hapless, floundering and well out of your depth.

    Bye.

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    cassidystashcassidystash
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    I’m having to try really hard not to join in!

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    There is no will for me in defending him any more. It’s not a blip, he doesn’t learn and doubles down on the worst aspects. Brogan as RWB, I ask you.

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    He’s tried Barrows, Kelly, Scales and now Brogan at RWB. He’s used Denton and Kelly at LWB. He insists that WBs are part of his system but has not yet realised HE DOESN’T HAVE ANY!!!!

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    Butler talks about player mistakes. He is right – as far as it goes.
    But the system has created many of those errors. Gaps appear; opposition players in huge amounts of space; CM being detached from the defence etc, etc.

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    #294477
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    At last, dropped the ineffective back 5 formation and the team played a lot better today at Leamington.

    Brogan was starman for me, and they all put a shift in.

    Only negative point, their right full back had too much ball and too much space, which tells you that we are unbalanced on the left hand side.

    Keep reading Andy for more pointers

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    So he hasn’t ‘got to go’ now then? He must be relieved. Why do you imagine he’ll be taking any pointers from you after you started this thread?

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    Brogan could be a ‘find’ to sort out midfield. I’ve had glimpses and liked what I’ve seen.

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    Brogan should have been regular ages ago
    Why couldn’t Butler see that

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