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November 9, 2024 at 8:49 pm #293519
What I saw today.
A team that set up 3-3-4 away from home, very impressive. Seamlessly they moved to 4 or 5 across the back when required. Exploited the channels well and targeted our sole midfielder to win possession from the off and use the ball to attack from all angles by simply running at us. Plus their abundance of strikers closed us down straight away.
A great team to watch and another lesson for our manager they have won 9 drawn 1 and lost 7, their boss has worked it out quite well that draws are no good.
By contrast the frailties that have dogged us all season and become more prevalent since October are getting worse. The system is wrong we are deficient in midfield with massive holes either side of Clunan. Denton and Barrows look lost and create nothing, the back three look all at sea, totally uncomfortable and make the basic of errors.
We have become shot shy, Whitehall, Carlton, Fishburn, Clunan, Beestin and Roberts until the 94th minute offered very little to zilch in respects of a goal threat.
2-1 down at home and our players main priority is to get back into the 5-3-2 formation to defend, so much so we did not until late even press their keeper when he was 5-6 yards out of his box.
I see a side who are frightened to go forward, the players stiff and rigid, a mindset of defence.
Out of the last 5 games we have lost 3 of them by a 3-2 scoreline, the fans are disgruntled and openly booed the manager and his poor substitutions today.
Another big worry in injury time when we stated to actually play and attack and were on the ascendancy our own momentum was broken by Kelly needlessly flattening a Buxton player.
This allowed Buxton to calm down, stop flapping and gather themselves together. The resulting free kick a nonentity and the ascendancy lost. Well done Kelly.
Poor tactics, poor discipline, no creativity, no football and more importantly no entertainment.
You have lost me Messer’s Butler and Schofield, worse I think the dressing room too.
The only difference between Jimmy’s team and this one is that they can run for 90 minutes instead of 70.
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November 9, 2024 at 9:26 pm #293520The sooner the better He looked absolutely clueless today
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November 9, 2024 at 10:31 pm #293529What I saw today.
A team that set up 3-3-4 away from home, very impressive. Seamlessly they moved to 4 or 5 across the back when required. Exploited the channels well and targeted our sole midfielder to win possession from the off and use the ball to attack from all angles by simply running at us. Plus their abundance of strikers closed us down straight away.
A great team to watch and another lesson for our manager they have won 9 drawn 1 and lost 7, their boss has worked it out quite well that draws are no good.
By contrast the frailties that have dogged us all season and become more prevalent since October are getting worse. The system is wrong we are deficient in midfield with massive holes either side of Clunan. Denton and Barrows look lost and create nothing, the back three look all at sea, totally uncomfortable and make the basic of errors.
We have become shot shy, Whitehall, Carlton, Fishburn, Clunan, Beestin and Roberts until the 94th minute offered very little to zilch in respects of a goal threat.
2-1 down at home and our players main priority is to get back into the 5-3-2 formation to defend, so much so we did not until late even press their keeper when he was 5-6 yards out of his box.
I see a side who are frightened to go forward, the players stiff and rigid, a mindset of defence.
Out of the last 5 games we have lost 3 of them by a 3-2 scoreline, the fans are disgruntled and openly booed the manager and his poor substitutions today.
Another big worry in injury time when we stated to actually play and attack and were on the ascendancy our own momentum was broken by Kelly needlessly flattening a Buxton player.
This allowed Buxton to calm down, stop flapping and gather themselves together. The resulting free kick a nonentity and the ascendancy lost. Well done Kelly.
Poor tactics, poor discipline, no creativity, no football and more importantly no entertainment.
You have lost me Messer’s Butler and Schofield, worse I think the dressing room too.
The only difference between Jimmy’s team and this one is that they can run for 90 minutes instead of 70.
Great post.
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November 9, 2024 at 11:33 pm #293534You’re spot on!
He has to go… but sadly he won’t
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November 10, 2024 at 2:50 am #293536One thing I have noticed is that no post match video has been posted with Butler. Not a peep. I wonder whether he knew what was coming after yet another defeat today ?
November 10, 2024 at 5:43 am #293539Through Turnbull, the Board should issue a directive to Buttler to play 4-4-2
The squad is threadbare of quality & quantity and 4-4-2 is simpler & better suited to the personnel.
This directive should be announced to the supporters.
Failure to implement the Board’s directive should result in…November 10, 2024 at 8:20 am #293546The squad is threadbare of quality & quantity and 4-4-2 is simpler & better suited to the personnel.
4/4/2 isn’t suited at all. Law who’s a legitimate winger is injured which leaves Roberts as the only out and out winger. Carlton plays wide but wide of a front 3, so I’d argue 4/3/3 is more suited, but Butler won’t play anything apart from this formation he set his heart on.
Only problem is that it doesn’t suit the players. Brogan can’t buy a game despite looking good every time he comes on as a sub and Nicholson can’t not get a game just because he throws a ball far even though he looks like a death trap and seemingly can’t defend.
You work that out !
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November 10, 2024 at 9:33 am #293551One thing I have noticed is that no post match video has been posted with Butler. Not a peep. I wonder whether he knew what was coming after yet another defeat today ?
This one was posted about 6pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0k3j1x5?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
November 10, 2024 at 9:53 am #293553Through Turnbull, the Board should issue a directive to Buttler to play 4-4-2
The squad is threadbare of quality & quantity and 4-4-2 is simpler & better suited to the personnel.
This directive should be announced to the supporters.
Failure to implement the Board’s directive should result in…They won’t and shouldn’t do that. It would be the death knell and a sign of no confidence in Butler. If Butler fails, as he is doing presently, he will fall on his own sword.
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November 10, 2024 at 10:01 am #293555Wasn’t that the Swann way? That worked well.
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November 10, 2024 at 10:10 am #293558Rene is clearly a very passionate fan and can be entertaining at times on this forum but he gets a little carried away sometimes, I’m guessing even he realises that particular post of his was complete rubbish.
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November 10, 2024 at 10:27 am #293562One thing I’ve never understood is why people on social media post things like ‘i could have gone today but glad I didn’t’. Who actually benefits from that but the poster who no one cares less about whether they went or not? All it will do is encourage others in two minds about going next week not to go either. It’s unnecessary, not needed
November 10, 2024 at 10:29 am #293563Through Turnbull, the Board should issue a directive to Buttler to play 4-4-2
The squad is threadbare of quality & quantity and 4-4-2 is simpler & better suited to the personnel.
This directive should be announced to the supporters.
Failure to implement the Board’s directive should result in…They won’t and shouldn’t do that. It would be the death knell and a sign of no confidence in Butler. If Butler fails, as he is doing presently, he will fall on his own sword.
Agree, once the board start meddling in team selection and so on, it’s only going one way.
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November 10, 2024 at 10:32 am #293565I’d give him two seasons,I’m sick of upheaval.Dean had to go,he was damaged goods and part of what made the Iron so toxic.
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November 10, 2024 at 10:45 am #293571Wow 64 on the 4th of November you’d give him 3 seasons on the 10th you’ve changed it to 2, what’s changed in them 6 days I wonder.
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November 10, 2024 at 10:46 am #293572Sorry 64 but you can’t be serious? Two seasons of the dross we’re seeing? The damage that could be done to the club in that time with dwindling gates would far outweigh any benefit. How many season tickets do you think we sell in the summer if we finish mid table and don’t change the manager? You’re bordering on Butlers delusion levels.
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November 10, 2024 at 10:56 am #293581Lots of comments remarking that a few players showed little desire or effort .. maybe AB has lost the dressing room with his obsession for this formation … pretty obvious for a while hes got favourites which more than often ends in tears. .
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November 10, 2024 at 11:34 am #293593Don’t go. Learn, embrace change. You’re not necessarily wrong (though it’s fine to admit you are, ask Mrs CT) and 5-3-2 might sometimes be the best option – but not always, especially when it’s blindingly obvious that it’s not. i.e. surely never at home. Come on, most want you to succeed but you have to help yourself to be successful and that means admitting you’ve made mistakes and learning from them.
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November 10, 2024 at 11:40 am #293596Is he in the room with you Cass? Sounds like it.
November 10, 2024 at 12:40 pm #293599Unfortunately not, we have to rely on him reading Bru and taking notice.
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November 10, 2024 at 1:39 pm #293601Seems like some aren’t believing in the “in Michelle we trust” anymore. Did she not say that promotion was the aim and expected outcome for the season, none of this middle of the table shite that 64 and others are posting.
She gave Butler probably the biggest budget in the league, half the teams aren’t getting 1000 through the turn styles, so in what world would it be acceptable to finish mid table. Buxton averaging 690 what does that say, it says Butler is out his depth.
Ya know like everyone was proclaiming Jimmy was and he achieved 2nd place at ease, that wasn’t good enough so just the same it won’t be acceptable for Butler if he doesn’t get us promotion.2 users thanked author for this post.
November 10, 2024 at 1:54 pm #293603Plenty for the new CEO to get his teeth into …
As we fall away down the league ABs apparent mule mentality re his chosen formation which clearly is NOT working will come back to haunt him and possibly cost him his job, im predicting he will at least get the whole season but what was good enough for JD surely must be for AB..the recent contract extension does some what cloud the issue and has turned out to be a huge mistake.
Play offs may seem him hang on but im going for 7th to 10th place finish at best which will be a testing decision for the shot callers
Very interested to see who the new player is and his route to end up at AAGP, whose pick was he ?.. supposedly announced tomorrow if it happens.
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November 10, 2024 at 2:55 pm #293610I think a lot of the talk about failure come season end and other gloomy predictions are premature tbh.
November 10, 2024 at 3:59 pm #293616I predicted that 3 bad performances in November would bring it all to a head.
Well.
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November 10, 2024 at 4:01 pm #293617Couple of new faces could have a big impact
November 10, 2024 at 4:07 pm #293619We need a CM, Deerey.
WG wants Brogan in there. It’s worth a try.
(BTW, sticking to your guns has a certain nobility to it in some circumstances AB – these are not they.)November 10, 2024 at 4:10 pm #293620Couple of new faces could have a big impact
Not in this formation they won’t. Still will have defenders on the pitch that aren’t comfortable playing where they’re asked to play and a slow build up midfield. Butler is the one that needs to change it because if he doesn’t all he’ll end up doing is playing fresh players for them to struggle in the same system.
Clearly doesn’t work. Needs to start Brogan and Beestin which are most likely out two best CM players for this level. I know Butler has his favourite players, but he needs to play his best ones.
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November 10, 2024 at 4:41 pm #293622Regarding new additions not making a difference – we shall see.
November 10, 2024 at 7:37 pm #293628Regarding new additions not making a difference – we shall see.
In this system, No. To play this system effectively we’ll need two natural wing backs, two new CB’s and another striker. These players we have at the minute are not suited to the formation Butler wants them to play in.
We all can see it, only person who can’t is Butler.
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November 10, 2024 at 8:58 pm #293631Yes it’s very strange when an ex professional footballer with over 600 career appearances, professional coaching badges and a wealth of professional football knowledge gleaned from well over 20 years in the professional game doesn’t realise he’s getting it wrong, whereas a group of well intentioned football fans with I’m guessing no professional based knowledge of the game whatsoever save observing the game over many years can. It always has baffled me that.
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