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April 12, 2023 at 11:55 am #259827
Over 24 hrs now WG to correct yourself and the silence is deafening. Maybe stick to your boring tactical and personnel posts.
April 12, 2023 at 12:33 pm #259830Stay, stay stay.
Stop pixxing the manager and owner off. Look what happened when you did the same with swan. Let’s see what happens with a clear out and new players in. Train all week with a plan and then on the Saturday do as you please. No manager is accountable for this.
The players have let everyone down.April 12, 2023 at 12:48 pm #259832‘Train all week with a plan and then on the Saturday do as you please. No manager is accountable for this. The players have let everyone down.’
Absolutely the players are responsible, but so to is the manager. It’s a results / performance driven business and most managers across every league are judged this way. Apart from that, we don’t know what they do in training all week so we can’t know if they’re ignoring what they’ve been trained to do or not.
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April 12, 2023 at 1:56 pm #259840How many of the players did the manager bring in?
6/11 who started at Gateshead had arrived since he was appointed.
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April 12, 2023 at 3:26 pm #259853We could always go down and watch the training to see what they do, I will try and pop next week when purchasing my season ticket haven’t seen Jimbob in action. Cox was poor for me, bollocking players for trying to go forward when he wanted it passing back, I know you’ve got to have a system but you shouldn’t stifle the players and make them frightened to do anything else and that’s what they took into the game.
April 12, 2023 at 3:35 pm #259855A good coach would give the players freedom to make not only in-play decisions, but also about the tactical approach for each match. This enables the players to grow, take more ownership of their own, and collective performances on the pitch.
Shouting and telling players what they should be doing only leads down the route of being unable to make in-play decisions effectively. Which in turn, undermines their confidence, and ensures that you will never get 100% out of the players.
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April 12, 2023 at 4:44 pm #259859There was a lot of shouting and remonstrating from the England coaching staff during the heavy defeat to Iceland. When he wasn’t silent, I could hear Hill bollocking players on the pitch. A lot.
April 12, 2023 at 4:46 pm #259860Were Adkins / Crosby big shouters, telling players off? Genuine question – rarely by that area in those days.
April 12, 2023 at 4:55 pm #259863It is not just about what the coaches / managers do in the technical area on matchday. What happens in training, in the changing rooms, and behind closed doors is just as important. What they learn during the week will be brought into the match play.
Set the players free, allow them to grow, and they will become better players who make better decisions.
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April 12, 2023 at 6:20 pm #259866On match day I would expect and hope they would remonstrate, but doubt at home you would here Cox or Hill bollocking them for going forward I’m sure we would have heard about that.
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April 14, 2023 at 1:33 pm #259962If the manager / coach(es) are shouting at the players during the match then the manager / coaches have failed in their respective roles. If the players are coached effectively week on week, the need to constantly shout, instruct, berate the players on match day would be dramatically reduced.
As I mentioned earlier, a good coach would give the players freedom to make not only in-play decisions, but also about the tactical approach for each match. For some reason many managers / coaches are stuck in the 1980’s and seem to believe that they should do all the decision making and thinking for players. Players need to fully understand what the tactics are, and their individual and collective responsibilities. If the players understand this, and are involved in the whole process you will see the players self-manage during the match, and can respond swiftly to in-play developments.
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April 14, 2023 at 1:42 pm #259963As I mentioned earlier, a good coach would give the players freedom to make not only in-play decisions, but also about the tactical approach for each match. For some reason many managers / coaches are stuck in the 1980’s and seem to believe that they should do all the decision making and thinking for players.
Interesting – one of the things I notice about Guardiola’s sides is that players don’t necessarily think for themselves because they have to be part of the team system. Or, put another way, individual expression is sacrificed for the greater good.
Of course, I agree with you that the “shouting & bollocking” style of management is an anachronism in the modern world.
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April 14, 2023 at 1:55 pm #259964@Ferrite – Pep is a good example of a manager who has successfully merged the older autocratic style with the newer more motivational / emotional style. I suspect the key to success for Pep (apart from a large cheque book) is the fact that his team have bought into the ‘why’, and Pep nurtures his players, allowing them to grow and feel confident of his support.
Something we seldom see these days at GP!
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April 14, 2023 at 2:26 pm #259969‘Something we seldom see these days at GP!’
Lol, ‘not arfff!’
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April 14, 2023 at 2:45 pm #259972One of the phrases that I have heard way too many times over the years is “They looked good in training” and seeing the team struggle.
You have to ask, what were they doing in training all week? Was it representative of what they are going to face on match day, or was it some simple tasks that made the players look good (unchallenged crosses, unchallenged passing etc.)?
Coaches often try to simplify a single task too much, making the task irrelevant or the relevancy reduced too much. An example could be ‘trying to beat a defender and deliver a cross to a striker who has players defending him. That could be too challenging for some players, so the coach removes the player to beat, or the defenders marking the striker. The player then looks good, he crosses the ball, and the striker meets the cross, burying the ball in the back of the net.
The manager / coach might look at that and say “they look great in training” however, this over simplified task has not taught the players how to cross under pressure, and the striker hasn’t been taught how to create space etc. Matchday comes, and we can’t get the crosses into our strikers, the strikers move like dustbins, we can’t score, lose the match and the manager says, “I didn’t see that coming, they looked good all week”.
In this specific case, practicing how to cross does not produce high action fidelity and is a perfect example of ineffective training.
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April 14, 2023 at 3:06 pm #259973Insightful stuff Daz. Makes a lot of sense.
April 14, 2023 at 3:13 pm #259974@Deereyme66 – Thanks, if you cannot tell, one of my roles in life is elite and performance coach developer for UK Athletics. In fact I am in Birmingham tomorrow for some training and development, and the session theme is “Planning and initiating coach learning and development”. Lots of discussion will be had around the practice continuum, developing resilience, motivation etc.
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April 14, 2023 at 3:25 pm #259976Yes, I was aware Daz, via your Twitter account. I would imagine a fair number on here are aware of your role too. All the best for tomorrow – exciting stuff!
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April 14, 2023 at 3:31 pm #259977I might pop to Ilkeston on the way home! ;-)
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April 14, 2023 at 4:37 pm #259982I might pop to Ilkeston on the way home! ;-)
Clearly you’re not afraid to look success in the face; unlike some of us who are apparently bottlers…innit ;)
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April 14, 2023 at 6:42 pm #259987Instead of popping in at ilkeston why not pop down for a training session and find out the answers to your questions twould be a lot easier.
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April 16, 2023 at 5:48 pm #260096We all know the answer to that, no bloody chance
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Topics: 18One of the phrases that I have heard way too many times over the years is “They looked good in training” and seeing the team struggle.
You have to ask, what were they doing in training all week? Was it representative of what they are going to face on match day, or was it some simple tasks that made the players look good (unchallenged crosses, unchallenged passing etc.)?
Coaches often try to simplify a single task too much, making the task irrelevant or the relevancy reduced too much. An example could be ‘trying to beat a defender and deliver a cross to a striker who has players defending him. That could be too challenging for some players, so the coach removes the player to beat, or the defenders marking the striker. The player then looks good, he crosses the ball, and the striker meets the cross, burying the ball in the back of the net.
The manager / coach might look at that and say “they look great in training” however, this over simplified task has not taught the players how to cross under pressure, and the striker hasn’t been taught how to create space etc. Matchday comes, and we can’t get the crosses into our strikers, the strikers move like dustbins, we can’t score, lose the match and the manager says, “I didn’t see that coming, they looked good all week”.
In this specific case, practicing how to cross does not produce high action fidelity and is a perfect example of ineffective training.
“Train hard
Fight easy”
-The British ArmyApril 17, 2023 at 9:23 am #260173Is that you Rene?
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Topics: 18Is that you Rene?
No, “it is I, Leclerc.”
April 18, 2023 at 8:03 am #260258Training all week !! What exactly does that entail ?? By the way the new album by Natalie Merchant is great. UTWI
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Topics: 18Takes us back to the turf polishing.
The players we have are at the level they are at because of deficiencies and not because of their abilities.April 18, 2023 at 9:24 am #260268You don’t polish turf you cut it, unless it’s a 4g variety.
April 18, 2023 at 9:26 am #260270Takes us back to the turf polishing.
I didn’t realise the pitch was quite that bad! Will the players need spikes rather than studs?
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