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    lesgeolesgeo
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    How often we have seen variations on this particular theme.
    I never bought into that.
    I have been concerned by: an absence of balance in the squad; dreadful fitness levels; shocking management; appalling injury lists; dubious systems etc, etc.
    Rowe, O’Malley, Pugh – decent youngsters developing and you can probably add Thompson to that list.
    We have got a changed GK – Rory has finally lived up to his talent levels.
    Davies and Kenyon and Bunn – all solid players but fitness the question mark.
    Hallam a cross between both of the paragraphs above.
    Perry needs time and toughening but picks a pass like no other.
    The obvious skills of Hippo have been incredibly poorly handled – and yesterday suggests that Hill is going to get the best from Loft and even Green. Jarvis is a young striker and is steadily improving. It is not a short term process.
    Onariase decent CB for League 2 as is Taft – even if his form had dipped. I think he’s getting back to what he should be.
    Beestin – poor under Cox this season but looking better under Hill.

    We have always had the basis of a squad to be lower mid-table. A great deal of the criticism from fans has been thoroughly unreasonable.
    With no changes at all in January – Mr Hill has enough material to take us away from danger.
    I rate that bloke off the scale!
    Incidentally, I took stick on here for suggesting Cox’s sacking at a rather sensitive time for the guy. I did not apologise then and I do not now.

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    SDH57SDH57
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    On the nail – as usual Les

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    Bartoniron66Bartoniron66
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    I have too have said the players were better then most were giving them credit for and Mr Cox just wasn’t getting the best out of them, Mr Cox was a scunny lad and I like everyone else thought he was a good appointment but it was just to big of a job for him unfortunately.

    Mr Hill is getting the best out of them by firstly making them work harder and by getting them fitter! He is now showing them how to become better as a team and individually.

    Hopefully Mr Swann is going to back Keith in January where possible and stay out of the playing side of the club and leave the management to their jobs to carry on with their jobs.

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    PaulSanfran49
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    Never thought Cox was a good appointment.

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    open hearth ironopen hearth iron
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    Aye a lot did myself included

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    alcazaralcazar
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    Hopefully Mr Swann is going to back Keith in January where possible and stay out of the playing side of the club and leave the management to their jobs to carry on with their jobs.

    Hopefully?

    I’ll wager he’ll do neither.

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    bartonscorpionbartonscorpion
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    Lesgeo, when you say that you took some stick on here when you suggested sacking Cox a couple of months ago at a bad family time for him, don’t you think that your suggestion should have been last January, when he had proved that he had no idea what to do, and that the football was the worst ever seen by a Scunny team, and things would never get better????

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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    With no changes at all in January – Mr Hill has enough material to take us away from danger.
    I rate that bloke off the scale!

    I also rate him but I’d like to think I’m also realistic. If that 45 minutes for Loft was a flash in the pan or he picks up an injury we’re in the shite again. I wouldn’t chance our arm on the firepower we have to survive.

    Apart from Bunn who’s more a link player up there, we haven’t got a great deal. Scrimshaw is a capable finisher at times but more often than not he’s never in the right area in or around the box to sniff chances out.

    Realistically we need 2 new strikers to go with Scrimshaw, Loft and Bunn.

    Attempt to get Jarvis out on loan with O’Neil, Turan and Jessop. A creative CM and maybe another CB and we might be ok. I don’t think we’ll survive without strengthening.

    You can’t have only 1 capable striker who’s a potential goal getter who’s inconsistent himself to fire you to safety, we need help in Jan.

    Regarding Cox, myself, Barton and one or two others said he should have been dumped months before…he was completely clueless. If Cox ever gets another managers job in my lifetime, I’ll be more than a bit surprised.

    Being a manager not even capable of getting your team match fit that far into the season isn’t just negligent, it’s a clear sign you shouldn’t be anywhere near a managers job.

    I’m surprised Ardley even kept him around as assistant manager at Notts County. Most shocking thing is the fact he knows football as well as a seasoned pro. Unbelievable really when you think about it.

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    lesgeolesgeo
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    Valid points. In an ideal world we need 3 – 5 better players in.

    Why did Bhuna not have the knowhow to straighten out the mess is a real biggie for me.
    Can we believe that Cox ignored and rode roughshod over a man who really did have the genuine experience?

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    Bartoniron66Bartoniron66
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    Wonder, I said in a post on Facebook recently Mr Cox appeared to try to be a “mate and a manager not a manager and a mate” that Mr Hill is to the players, It is a very difficult job and one where you walk the line and at any minute you might need to give out an ear full if the players think of you as a mate they will just ignore you.

    Coupling that with his very defensive minded set ups and what appeared to be a lack of football tactics and very limited player knowledge Mr Cox never really was able to get the team anywhere near where it should been.

    Mr Hill is a very experienced manager with a decent record of getting teams out of trouble then pushing them on to challenge for promotion, I hope Mr Swann has finally realised that a manager needs to be left alone to do his job and in Mr Hill we have one that will demand that unless he needs the chairman to back him in any way.

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    bartonscorpionbartonscorpion
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    People cannot take little snipits of Cox’s way of trying to be a football league manager, the guy may be a very nice man as so many of you have stated in the past, but he had no experience whatsoever, he came in from being a non-league ASSISTANT MANAGER, and in no time at all distinguished himself as not having a bloody clue. The team was playing a defensive system for the first 30 or 40 minutes of games, and were completely knackered for the remainder of games, they were obviously not training and were totally unfit, thats possibly why the slightest be of effort exerted by players resulted in strains or injuries, which at Scunthorpe always appeared to last for months on end for some reason.

    The sad thing is that however bad a manager Cox was, the Chairman backed him and praised him, “for some reason or other,” maybe he is not a sacking type of Chairman ha ha!

    Even when crowds dropped to 2,000 in protest obviously because fans had had enough of the unenjoyable rubbish being presented to them under Cox, he was still kept on until there was no other choice but to sack him, the guy should have gone last January, and all this “nice man” shite should not have been considered, the club needed a manager, not a nice man, we have now got one, and like others, I just hope that he gets backing next month from the Chairman, and the other management leave Keith Hill to do his job, he has been used to working under strict budgets, but he must be given a free rane to run the playing side of the club which includes players transfers, which from previous evidence must not be advised by Swann junior.

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    Can’t see Hill taking any notice whatsoever of our cygnet scout, if players are forced on him I expect he would just walk away.

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    #220169
    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    Can’t see Hill taking any notice whatsoever of our cygnet scout, if players are forced on him I expect he would just walk away.

    Before Hill even accepted this role, he met Swann and stated what he had to have “meaning near complete control”. I remember listening to an interview from Hill soon after he signed, saying just that.

    Hill wouldn’t have come in the first place if all this wasn’t ironed out from the start. One thing he isn’t is somebody who can be ignored or made a fool of.

    Hill will know the players we want and will have ear marked some already. I remember him saying after he was sacked at Bolton he was still out and about looking at players ready for getting another job elsewhere.

    Hill stated he had made many contacts in the game through his time managing. Trust me, he’ll know lower league players.

    Do you really think he’ll allow us to sign another Turan/Jarvis ?.

    Not a cat in hells chance !

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    cassidystashcassidystash
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    Will the Chief Scout be dismissed, continue to receive an unnecessary wage or perhaps redeployed as assistant manager?

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    alcazaralcazar
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    Hope you’re right WG.

    And Cass, it should be 1, but I’ve a feeling it will be 2.
    Not that we’re likely to be told either way.

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