“Gaza man with downs dies lonely death”

[Gurnelista]

Just Iron wrote:

Gurney … be assured ..I definitely don’t need absolution from you.

You make these claims about Israel’s behaviour being ‘the lesser of two evils’ and how they are right to continue with the massacre but you really can’t find it within yourself to defend them on here. You could give a straight answer to a few simple questions, but you really don’t want to, do you?

That’s because you come on here with an image of yourself as a good Christian with solid, family values, living wholeheartedly by the messages your faith teaches, so you know very well that any admission that more, or even all Palestinians should die would make you appear even more hypocritical and shameful than usual.

Let’s try another question and see how you get on. Tens of thousands of women and children have already been killed with bombs, disease and starvation. These are the realities which you support. But, how should the killing continue? More Israeli bombs? Or more bullets, chasing down the desperate, skeletal victims among the ruins, like in some macabre computer game? Or how about Nazi-style camps, where they could be ‘terminated’ in a tidier, more efficient way, perhaps with a Joy Division on site for the IDF. What do you reckon? What should the IDF do?

So, come on JI, you support the mass murder of civilians by the Israeli state, but how should they be killed in future, and how many? Come on, no waffle or deflection, what’s your answer?

[Iron-awe]

Anyone remember the Sounds of Silence by Simon & Garfunkel?

[Just Iron]

The answer has already been given, Gurnelista. Plain and straightforward. None. Zero. Zilch. No more killing. Not by bomb or bullet or knife or club. Every needless death is one too many. No more hatred or intolerance. No more imposition of religion or ideology of left, right or anything else. No more demonisation and wilful misunderstanding and misrepresentation of those presenting a perspective that challenges ours. No more ignoring of sincerely made points and deliberate ‘failure to understand’ in order to protect ones self image or ego. No more being part of the problem instead of part of the solution. There’s a darkness in this world and it runs right through the heart of man … including you.

OK. Now I’ve been clear on that point. Let’s re visit the realm of the hypothetical. If YOU were calling the shots in 1945 and had seen 1000s of US Marines killed on Okinawa and peripheral islands and tens of thousands of Japanese soldiers and civilians ..many by suicide.. you would have a call to make. The estimates coming in are of possibly millions more deaths if this continues. One option is to order all forces to sail home and leave well enough alone. Let the US and Allied pows fend for themselves. And the Chinese and Burmese and ‘comfort women’ and slaves.But there is another option ..terrible and swift. Unimaginable. YOU make that call with total rejection of any concept of ‘the lesser of evils.’

One for IA. Two guys break into your home intent on robbery, rape and murder. Your old dads loaded gun sits in the draw by your side as they advance with machete and knife.Do you want to kill? Are you a violent man by nature? Your call.

Simplistic ideological posturing may cut it for you ..but not in this real world of evil and darkness. I have nothing against you ..but you are thinking and pontificating in shadows ..not in the light.

[Iron-awe]

Not quite the same though is it JI, you would try and protect your family from the intruders but you wouldn’t then go round to all their relations houses taking vengeance on as many as you could find. Well perhaps if you were an Israeli you would but you’d know more about that then me.

[Just Iron]

I do. And you’re wrong.

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billpuntonsghost

[Iron-awe]

That the best you’ve got a nothing answer?, ah well keep supporting Israeli sanctioned murder on innocent Palestinians, I’m sure God is right with you on that one.

[Iron-awe]

Ha ha good old bill turned up with bible in one hand and holy water in the other, don’t thank him bill get him exorcised.

[Gurnelista]

Just Iron wrote:

Every needless death is one too many.

You protest too much JI. You’ve said too much previously to be sincerely resiling now. It’s clear you support the IDF to the hilt. So presumably the deaths of thousands of civilians in Gaza are not needless but necessary, in your cultist view. It’s the lesser of two evils, right?

Part of the problem is that you’re only interested in feelings, not facts, for example that all Gazans are bad people who deserve to die. Or, that the video Siderite posted was actually true. Or, that the nonsense of WND is good, because of the far-right Christian world view world view it presents. Just look at the guff on there, it’s like a copy of Viz! And yourself, supposedly an adult.

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It doesn’t matter if it’s mass murder, propaganda or whatever – never mind the facts, if it doesn’t fit your feelings, then it’s best ignored. If you didn’t ignore it, your world would collapse under the weight of reality. So your support for the Nazi-style execution of harmless civilians – unarmed, young, elderly, sick, disabled will continue.

You know all this, but you’re ashamed to admit it on here, and that’s why you can’t give a straight answer to a straight question, on the numbers of civilian murders you’d support, on the kind of killing to be done, etc. You’d rather deflect and waffle, and hope the questions go away. How should the IDF kill an infant, for example? Care to reflect on that one? Shame!

St Peter is watching JI, and you’ll have a lot of explaining to do. How’s your Hebrew?

[Just Iron]

Gurney ..liar. You’re not someone I have any respect for. I ceased posting to try to satisfy you weeks ago. Maybe there are one or two impartial observers who still have a glance to see what’s going on ..but probably few. My views were really only expressed for them to weigh. This WND nonsense confirms that you have no conscience. I had never heard of them until you denigrated me for watching them a couple of weeks ago and now, simply because it suits you, you’re at it again. Just as you spent months alleging that I was the alter ego for some guy called Les …until even some of the regulars here got sick of it. Your lying is only matched by your hypocrisy. If you had any real compassion for the suffering of human beings in Gaza it would be borne of an empathy for all human beings .. in the areas of the world I’ve highlighted, for Jewish hostages and their families and those massacred in October … and even for me. I’d say that you should be ashamed but suspect that it’s an alien concept to you … just as it is to your braying mate Hee Haw who wouldn’t understand a principal if it slapped him in the face. The folks of Gaza are simply a convenient token for your venom and bile against the Israelis. That’s all. They are nothing to you as human beings .. as am I. Someone once told me that you can’t satisfy hell .. its cold, merciless, without conscience and devoid of truth. You’re welcome to it.

[Iron-awe]

I will keep this as basic as I usually do particularly as I know it winds you up JI but when you spit your dummy out boy do you spit it out, well done.

[Just Iron]

The last bit was also for you IA. I don’t wish that condition on you, Gurney or anyone. Turn from it. Sneering, mockery and deliberate perversion of facts give short term satisfaction … but eternal anguish. It’s never too late. There’s good news if you can receive it. Examine your conscience as to how you have conducted yourself on here in our exchanges and ask yourself why? There is a God and he cares for you in a way that no other being does or could. You could be free from this shallow subhuman one up manship and become the more noble, honest and growing person that you are supposed to be. That’s what I hope for …. for you and anyone.

[TwoWrights]

Just Iron wrote:

The last bit was also for you IA. I don’t wish that condition on you, Gurney or anyone. Turn from it. Sneering, mockery and deliberate perversion of facts give short term satisfaction … but eternal anguish. It’s never too late. There’s good news if you can receive it. Examine your conscience as to how you have conducted yourself on here in our exchanges and ask yourself why? There is a God and he cares for you in a way that no other being does or could. You could be free from this shallow subhuman one up manship and become the more noble, honest and growing person that you are supposed to be. That’s what I hope for …. for you and anyone.

There is no eternal anguish, anguish ends at the terminal breath. Happy and fulfilled lives are possible without forever having to be frightened of upsetting a fictional deity. I’m content with the fact that once I’ve had my terminal breath that’s it, goodnight Vienna over and out.

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Gurnelista, Iron-awe

[Iron-awe]

Strange after all discussions on different topics JI still returns to throwing his religion at you like some kind of protective shield for us all to turn to, despite him knowing mine and others views on religion. Still playing the evangelist after patronising, attempting to ridicule and showering us all with his perceived mental superiority but still not answering basic questions. Good call TW basic and to the point, welcome to JI’s thicko club I believe membership is free but I’m sure he will be back to enlighten us all with his version of events. He’s still supporting his murderous Israeli governments actions however when all is said and done.

[Gurnelista]

Yes, it’s quite a perverse, cultish mentality IA, lurking behind the veneer of civility.

It’s typical of the far-right or indeed any cultist whose opinions are based on feelings not facts, that when all the contradictions are exposed to them, they crack, go into meltdown and blame the messenger, throwing around all kinds of wild accusations rather than taking a look at themselves. Just like here, in fact.

NB JI…
– You’ve never ceased posting to satisfy anyone!
– WND – You have evidently forgotten again that you’ve been a fan for a long time
and recommend them elsewhere.
-You still think the IDF should continue murdering thousands of non-combatant women
children, sick and elderly in hospitals, schools etc. if Hamas doesn’t return the
hostages. But you still can’t answer questions on how many and how, because you are ashamed to do so – ashamed of yourself, it seems.
– Despite all this, you still consider yourself a Christian worthy of a place in a
paradise! Can you explain how?

[Gurnelista]

Just for the record:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgerz8we1vgo
“It’s the lesser of two evils”

[billpuntonsghost]

Just to butt in Gurnelista, “ …you still consider yourself a Christian worthy of a place in a paradise! Can you explain how?”
You do not understand the Christian faith.No body is worthy of a place in “paradise.” Only by repenting of your sins and turning to Christ alone is the way to Heaven.You have to understand by trying to follow the law(putting your trust in your own ability to be “right with God) is the wrong Gospel.Having faith in Christ alone and following his teachings in the Bible is the Gospel message.

[TwoWrights]

I have a message, and it has as many words as the shortest sentence in your Bible.

[Iron-awe]

bills getting muddled again bless him, not sure by who though.

[Gurnelista]

Following ‘his’ teachings Bill?
Just look at this, especially the first 3.5m.
JI cheering it on, while calling himself man of God.
You do realise this kind of behaviour is classed as psychotic.
(Warning: this clip contains distressing scenes)
https://www.channel4.com/news/israel-gaza-400000-residents-ordered-to-leave-khan-younis

[Iron-awe]

That’s a grim watch, how bloody awful for those poor people being pushed from pillar to post, forced out of their homes, bombed in a so called Israeli sanctioned safe zone then told to leave again or risk being killed. Homes destroyed, safe zone bombed now go find yourselves a safe place to be if there is such a place under this terrible Israeli regimes brutality, I very much doubt such a place will be found. Is this genocide?, looks a lot like it.

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