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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    North Ferriby United as they were called before they were dissolved.

    Doh! Of course :-(

    #293364
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    The question which has been touched on but never really asked outright is whether or not this squad is actually good enough to win promotion if handled judiciously.
    In the opening to the season the answer looked clear.
    Today, it is considerably less so.
    Squad depth is certainly a concern but when you add what looks suspiciously like obstinacy regarding playing systems to the mix, the answer comes back with a resounding ‘No!’

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    #293369
    RoamingBullRoamingBull
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    No they don’t look good enough you’re right lesgeo.

    It’s anybody’s league as it’s shown. We had a fast start but faded away.
    Other teams took a while to get going but are now finding their feet.
    We look the opposite at present and shows we are not in anyway superior to a team in the bottom three or the top 3.

    It’s a pile up at the top. Even 11th spot Alfreton if they win their two games in hand are level on points with us albeit GD.

    Whom will take the initiative and start to place a marker down like the Iron did in the early stages because at the moment we have ran out of fuel and freewheeling.

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    #293374
    Iron414Iron414
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    I know people think this is harsh what I’m about to say but Turnbull has been living off his past exploits of signing Sharp, keogh e.t.c years before. Who’s he brought in post Sharp, Keogh who’s been any good ?

    All we keep doing is keeping him in the background involved when he’s had a hand in signing absolute dross for previous failed managers. Sorry it’s just not good enough.

    This fascination with keeping people because “they’re part of the furniture & bleed claret and blue has to stop”. I’d much rather have somebody here in an advisory role when it comes to signings who knows this level particularly and what it takes to get out of it.

    All the times we’ve tried this it’s worked with Adkins, no more.

    I totally get where you’re coming from. But I’m pretty sure Lee Turnbull’s role involves a bit more than sitting in a corner chewing a Scotch egg that’s gone beyond it’s best before, and occasionally getting a text from a scout and signing a player.

    Perhaps so, but how many clubs at NLN level do you think have a ‘Lee Turnbull’ in place commanding a hefty salary, as well as a CEO and a full management staff?

    Think a part-time / ad-hoc recruitment chap would be able to do a better job on the scouting, but having said that, Stevie Wonder could have done a better scouting job in the summer.

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    RoamingBullRoamingBull
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    I know people think this is harsh what I’m about to say but Turnbull has been living off his past exploits of signing Sharp, keogh e.t.c years before. Who’s he brought in post Sharp, Keogh who’s been any good ?

    All we keep doing is keeping him in the background involved when he’s had a hand in signing absolute dross for previous failed managers. Sorry it’s just not good enough.

    This fascination with keeping people because “they’re part of the furniture & bleed claret and blue has to stop”. I’d much rather have somebody here in an advisory role when it comes to signings who knows this level particularly and what it takes to get out of it.

    All the times we’ve tried this it’s worked with Adkins, no more.

    I totally get where you’re coming from. But I’m pretty sure Lee Turnbull’s role involves a bit more than sitting in a corner chewing a Scotch egg that’s gone beyond it’s best before, and occasionally getting a text from a scout and signing a player.

    Perhaps so, but how many clubs at NLN level do you think have a ‘Lee Turnbull’ in place commanding a hefty salary, as well as a CEO and a full management staff?

    Think a part-time / ad-hoc recruitment chap would be able to do a better job on the scouting, but having said that, Stevie Wonder could have done a better scouting job in the summer.

    LOL

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    To provide some balance, I will say that Turnbull will be looking at players of NLN quality now, while on a reduced budget from last year, and such players are prone to mistakes. Not saying he’s done no wrong, and no good points were raised (that the summer recruits have not managed to get themselves solidified as first teamers is a good point), but thought it was worth adding for consideration.

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    #293399
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    Balance restored, You are the Yin to my Yang Sidey!

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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    Trust notes state that in future, the players will be on 44 week contracts (beginning of July to end April)

    Fruit picking in (insert country) during May & June?

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    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    Trust notes state that in future, the players will be on 44 week contracts (beginning of July to end April)

    Fruit picking in (insert country) during May & June?

    Coming your way May through June the Roberts/Whitehall football skills and goal scoring course. £20 per child per day coaching fee, must provide a packed lunch and drink plus suitable wet weather clothing in case of inclement weather. That’s got that problem sorted.

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    #298662
    cassidystashcassidystash
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    Could be tricky, aren’t play offs usually in May?

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    Could be tricky, aren’t play offs usually in May?

    Late April in NL, aren’t they?

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    Our last game 26th April, surely can’t complete play offs in 4 days.

    #298666
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    NLN playoff Final Saturday May 10th.

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    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    NLN playoff Final Saturday May 10th.

    A team of non contract trialists representing us in the final, sounds perfect to me.

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    Bruers could turn out if it’s walking only. Barrie can be captain.
    Makes finishing top even more important!
    (Note – should be OK this season, sounds like July to April will be new deals. Need to include a contingency for future play offs though.)

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    CMCCMC
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    It rules out developing and selling on players if they’re on yearly deals.

    The 42/44 week contracts was a thing in the League of Ireland until recently. With the success of Dundalk and Shamrock Rovers most clubs are moving to full time long term contracts.

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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    It seems to be the norm at this level.
    However, it makes planning & building for the future difficult if you’ve aspirations of returning to the NL & then the EFL?

    The BoD have stated that promotion is the target this season – but they are sending out mixed messages with these 44 week contracts.

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    #298691
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    If the play off final is 10th May and the team gets together again for preseason end of June begin July a matter of a few weeks it would be crazy to have your team on a 44 week contract. A no stability or continuity within the team. What incentive is there to a player if he knows that at the end of the season he hasn’t a job. If, like we normally do, we do not offer new contracts until the season has ended, the whole team could reject new contract leaving about eight weeks to put a team together from scratch. I cannot see any reasonable player signing to come here for 44 weeks when other clubs, may offer less wages but offer long term contracts. Defiantly a recipe for disaster.

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    If the play off final is 10th May and the team gets together again for preseason end of June begin July a matter of a few weeks it would be crazy to have your team on a 44 week contract. A no stability or continuity within the team. What incentive is there to a player if he knows that at the end of the season he hasn’t a job. If, like we normally do, we do not offer new contracts until the season has ended, the whole team could reject new contract leaving about eight weeks to put a team together from scratch. I cannot see any reasonable player signing to come here for 44 weeks when other clubs, may offer less wages but offer long term contracts. Defiantly a recipe for disaster.

    Someone please correct me if I’m wrong and misremembering, but at the Trust meeting didn’t Michelle say some of the players who are out of contract will be more likely to accept lower wage offers if the contracts are longer?

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    I think it may have been Ian Sharp,he pointed out that a higher wage down south counts for less and some are more bothered about length of contract.Security I guessed

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    #298694
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    I would imagine that the lure of a 44 week contract is not that attractive for most professional footballers and as a consequence, we will likely struggle to attract all but the most desperate of players (i.e. those who cannot get a contract elsewhere).

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    #298695
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    I suspect most footballers can work a spreadsheet or a calculator.
    If not their agents certainly can.

    If it’s a grand a week for 44 weeks or £846 a week for 52 weeks the costs to the club and the benefits to the player and agent are the same.

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    Spreadsheets and footballers are two words you don’t see in a sentence very often.

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    cassidystashcassidystash
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    Presumably a 2 year contract can be offered with each “year” being 44 weeks leaving time for the fruit picking and a holiday. Still need to sort play off provisions though, 46 weeks might do it.

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