Forest Green Matchday thread

[Sanfran49]

Some aren’t helping each other MM and yes they do exploit this weakness – a Jim Goodwin would be a massive help to these lads.

[Sanfran49]

Car park at tesco isn’t owned by them. Go buy something, keep the receipt and you have 3 hours.

[Northumbiron]

Interesting that the two Bournemouth loanees are now underperforming after looking decent in the first couple of games.

Does this not reinforce the need for an old head in there to organise them?

Bournemouth won’t be too happy either as it’s doing nowt to progress them as footballers.

[cassidystash]

Sanfran49 wrote:

Some aren’t helping each other MM and yes they do exploit this weakness – a Jim Goodwin would be a massive help to these lads.

As manager do you mean?

[mistertonmick]

When your manager tells you in a newsletter how dangerous the opposition is and they will attack a lot and create lots of chances and have lots of shots at goals you know he will pick a negative eleven and hope to counter attack them, for God sake we are at home and why do we have to pick a side to stop them scoring, like sanfran says regularly play a team were they have to worry about us, if we are going to lose do it fighting not attack for 20 minutes and then a token effort when they scored their third because they weren’t troubled all second half until they got the late third, same last week at Tranmere, we played well until they scored then hadn’t a clue what to do.

[mistertonmick]

I think their manager has rubbed our noses in it further claiming it was their worst performance this season.

[Sanfran49]

cassidystash wrote:

Sanfran49 wrote:

Some aren’t helping each other MM and yes they do exploit this weakness – a Jim Goodwin would be a massive help to these lads.

As manager do you mean?

No – that type of on field leader.

[bartonscorpion]

No one is happy the way Scunny are playing, bu what can we really expect when we have two poor full backs, and the worst goalkeeper in the league, he will not come for any crosses in our goal area, he justs stands on his line on all attacks, he was to blame for three of Saturdays goals, the first he fumbled the ball to their player, the second was a cross into the centre of our goal area, probablt five feet from his goal line, but as usual he was rooted, the fourth goal went through his hands on its way into the net, he is really very poor, and with all his errors he will get worse if thats possible, but the biggest problem of all, the manager and Peter Swann thinks he is a good keeper, Christ sake. Musselwhite must surely be in line for a slot on the dole.

[lesgeo]

I have tried so very hard to support Rory but he is just not improving.
Truly sorry to say it but, decent goalie in this week or we are seriously running the risk of a bottom two finish.

[Ferrite]

Sanfran49 wrote:

Some aren’t helping each other MM and yes they do exploit this weakness – a Jim Goodwin would be a massive help to these lads.

The situation is NEVER that bad.

From the little I’ve seen, the majority of our problems seem to be in the midfield. Look at the goals we conceded on the weekend – none of the midfielders are tracking their runners, the defence gets overrun and it looks like they’re to blame but they can’t be expected to pick up five or six opposition attackers. Then, going forward, none of the midfielders seem to want to get in the opposition box either. So the forwards look completely isolated and not involved in the game.

The biggest risk this season was starting from new. I understand why that had to happen with the financial problems but given the compressed season and the lack of time on the training ground, trying to forge a team from new is a pretty tall order.

[Northumbiron]

Thing is the squad is awash with midfielders. So much in fact that some are being played at fullback.

So any improvement in this area will have to come about through coaching and with so little league experience in there it could take some time.

[cassidystash]

“Thing is the squad is awash with midfielders.”

As I said on another thread we seem to have gone for quantity over quality. How many of the MFs could we comfortably class as good enough and how many could we lose without noticing. Plenty to choose from but no CM partnership that I’m happy with at present. More wide players than we can possibly use but at least we have quality there.

[lesgeo]

I’ll say again that I reckon that these lads would come good playing off an experienced man.
They are not poor players, as such.

[cassidystash]

I put away my optimists hat a few weeks ago, how have you managed to get hold of it?

[BigLeftToe]

They are poor though Les. There’s a reason we finished in the bottom echelons of League 2 last season and there’s a reason why almost every one of our new signings were playing non-league football last season. Some might come good (the majority won’t) but our season definitely needs to pick up soon or we’ll be finishing lower than we did last season with a serious relegation battle on our hands!

[lesgeo]

It would be interesting to compare Beestin, Spence, Hippolyte, Vincent, Taylor with the Levi who is not getting appearances at Bradford.

[cassidystash]

He’d get in before Hornshaw at RB, that’s about it IMO.

[WonderGoals]

I don’t think it’s so much a case of all the central midfielders being poor, it’s just a very poor balance. Beestin, Hornshaw, Vincent and Spence are all defensive midfielders. Pugh and Raynner silva are both kids so there’s only Taylor who is something different but he’s even more suited playing in the no 10 role.

Throw into the mix we have an abundance of wide players. This is what you get when you have your chairman and whoever else keep picking players. A daft, unbalanced squad.

[Ferrite]

WonderGoals wrote:

, it’s just a very poor balance. Beestin, Hornshaw, Vincent and Spence are all defensive midfielders

If that’s the case, how come they don’t seem able to track a runner?

[Anonymous]

Because they’re not very good?

[Ferrite]

Anonymous wrote:

Because they’re not very good?

Agreed but surely that’s a pretty basic requirement of a defensive midfielder?

[Northumbiron]

Ferrite wrote:

If that’s the case, how come they don’t seem able to track a runner?

Anonymous wrote:

Because they’re not very good?

Excuse me for starting the bleeding obvious, but isn’t that what coaches and managers are there to do? Make them better players?

We’ve plenty of ingredients in the pantry, what we need is a capable chef and a well-tried recipe.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, that was going to be my next response. Besides Hakeeb and Sutton, has our coaching staff produced anyone who has gone to another club in the league to play their trade in the last decade or so?

[Northumbiron]

But it’s not just the home-growns it’s any young player joining the club.

Look at the loans from “bigger” clubs. For every Ivan Toney there’s a George Thomas, an Ike Ugbo, a Stephen Humphrys and a George Miller. They more often than not start off looking the part then go backwards as the season progresses.

And don’t get me started on Clayton Lewis, Dom Vose, Johnny Margetts, Yasin Ben El Mhanni and Andrew Crofts.

We have signed players and been told they are going to be the dog’s bollocks, but more often than not they end up being completely bollocks!

What’s happened to the club that used to turn raw talent like Andy Keogh, Billy Sharp and Gary Hooper into class acts?

Seriously worried about the whole setup at the moment.

[Ferrite]

Northumbiron wrote:

We’ve plenty of ingredients in the pantry, what we need is a capable chef and a well-tried recipe.

Years ago, I made the point that Mark Robbins seemed a much better manager when he couldn’t make signings. As soon as the transfer window came round we’d buy a bunch of new players and immediately our form would drop. I’m not sure we’ve ever kicked that habit.

Northumbiron wrote:

For every Ivan Toney there’s a George Thomas, an Ike Ugbo, a Stephen Humphrys and a George Miller.

That looks more like a 1:4 ratio than 1:1!

[Northumbiron]

Precisely my point Ferrite.

Invariably for every 4/5 loans we bring in only one excels.

Same in midfield. Ryan Yates apart, who have we seen with real quality?

The only position where we have had decent loans recently has been at fullback.

Yet, guess what? We’re severely lacking in that area at present.

[vader]

It’s all been said before but it does question the judgement of whoever is selecting and buying these duds, although they may not be duds with appropriate coaching.

Consequently is the coaching questionable, but have any of the recent coaches really been given enough time to sort things out, especially if they didn’t select the players ?

Even though we have a rooky Manager surely there is enough experience in the club (Mussy,Lillis,Wilcox) to do better with what we have than we are doing.

[WonderGoals]

We’ve had decent loan players in the past, Lolley comes to mind who was genuinely talented who never really got a chance.

The big difference is when Wharton was chairman he employed good, honest people in key positions and let them do their job while keeping in the background. A simple formula that worked.

Swann came in ripped the infrastructure apart and put the Swann family front and center of all things Scunthorpe United.

What chairman in their right mind signs players off their own back “including a RB who’s a perma crock” who he decides to make club captain..surprise, surprise the player of real experience is injured.

We have a squad now that’s about as unbalanced as a squad I’ve seen for many years and the glaring problems we had last season “lack of a spine” still haven’t been addressed.

Club now has 4 defensive midfielders , 5 wingers and a raft of strikers with no real proven track record “besides Van Veen and to some extent Olomola.

This is the worse squad in terms of balance I think we’ve ever had. This has been the result of this fecking committee down at GP playing real life Football Manager with the club signing players when they have no real idea who we really need for this level of football.

We’ve been down this road before with Swann. This is just who he is. Post covid, once things stabilize..Swann needs to move on.

Let’s not beat around the bush here, Swann is the problem and the catalyst really for all the clubs misgivings.

Complete and utter mess. It’s been stated time and time again that he needs to keep his nose out of the footballing side and let the manager come in and sign his own players, he has no idea what he’s doing but he can’t help himself.

The club is arguably in a much worse position now than when he came here…it’s a complete and utter mess. I’m all for youth been giving a chance but to go down that route with little to no experience with an inexperienced manager is just reckless.

[scunnymatt88]

IronIronIron wrote:

scunnymatt88 wrote:

I have said it before its swanny whos destroying our football club. The clown clearly thinks you can cut corners in these leagues and we are getting found out consistantly…cox is just another string puppet who is going to do as he’s told. Shambles from front to back and the veg munchers were taking the piss enjoying the day out. Embarrassing once again!

What do you know that we don’t? Do you have any proof at all that Swann is involved in team selection and/or tactics?

Thought not…..

Didnt bish put something on twitter not so long ago hinting that managers weren’t being allowed to do their job…doesnt take a genius to work out where the main problem lies, obviously theres still a few that are deluded and that swann is doing a fantastic job. Vanarama national league here we come im affraid the writing has been on the wall for a couple of years and no one running the club has the slightest clue in how to stop the consistant shambles.

[Charlies Wet Sponge]

Unfortunately even this early in the season I’m afraid Scunnymatt is right and we are heading for the national league and beyond, the club is literally in free fall.
It’s like we’re back in the bad old days of the 70’s.

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