Farage melting down

[Siderite]

I made no accusations of lying. The only logical fallacies are coming from you. He could, of course, be mistaken. Though I do find it amusing how cocksure you’re levelling these allegations when you have no substance to your argument, only anecdotal evidence. A fallacy.

The point is that you have admitted he has taken in Russian money from a criminal regime we have international sanctions on. That would be an understandable, given what could happen to the bank as a result. So, yes, I will judge anyone who has worked for a disgusting, authoritarian, mass murdering regime and couldn’t care less about his ‘right’ to accept money from mass murdering regimes without consequence. Sorry. It was a disgrace that RT was on our screens for so long peddling propaganda, and all the charlatans who profited from it (Farage, Galloway, Salmond etc) disgraced themselves.

[billpuntonsghost]

I apologise ,not realising when Deeryme posted ( yes,apologise)
The post needs to have a response in no uncertain terms.
The post indicates the writers state of mind,unfortunately.

[billpuntonsghost]

You point of view is called free speech ,siderite. I accept you have that view,others have a different point of view. Farage did nothing illegal by accepting appearance money, to say it was is wrong. This leads to the question of why can’t he open a bank account?

[Just Iron]

Deereyme66 wrote:

Just Iron wrote:

Consideration and sense,TW. Both yourself and Sidey have shown principle over partisanship and I for one appreciate that.

Principles? On that matter, what are Mr Farage’s principles? In it for the money and notoriety, causing division and hate along the way. Utter scum.

You missed the point here,Deerey. Principles are not abandoned just because someone else is perceived to have none. They are rooted in someone’s character, not fluctuating according to circumstance.

[Siderite]

Banks do have the right to refuse custom if they think their business is at risk, and Russian money is deemed a risk to their business. When it was unclear to me as to why Farage was being frozen, I was uneasy. Now it appears to be due to Russian influences, I can understand why maybe a bank would want to protect itself from suspicious activity and criminal money.

Just as restaurants are free to not serve unruly customers and bakers a cake for a customer if it infringes on their beliefs (yes, including Christians for gay weddings), a bank can refuse custom for a customer if they are deemed a risk, and Russian money is a huge risk now. If the bank doesn’t find such comfortable, for their business, why should they be forced to host an account for a customer? You could speak about evidence and the need for it, and I agree for a court case. Of course it may end up being an incorrect decision, but he is free to challenge it. If there is nothing I will go back to saying the banks were too hasty, but the links to Russian money and allegations makes me understand why the banks would do this.

You could argue that due diligence should be lower, but then you’d have to justify why it’s good to allow banks to be more carefree with criminality, and this could easily lead to more corruption.

[Just Iron]

Siderite wrote:

Deereyme66 wrote:

Show me one thing that demonstrate Farage’s existence is worth defending.

He’s a rotten individual, but rotten individuals deserve to exist, surely?

Yep. Irrespective of how we think of someone they should still be afforded the basic rights common to humanity. In Biblical terms its founded on the sanctity of life, man made in the image of God and bearing the vestiges of his character. A Christian subscribing to this worldview would, hopefully, be characterised by demonstrating a measure of grace and forgiveness when feeling wronged, not being easily offended, looking for the good in others and minimising their faults, not retaliating etc Not an easy gig to live up to by any means.

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[Siderite]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

You point of view is called free speech ,siderite. I accept you have that view,others have a different point of view. Farage did nothing illegal by accepting appearance money, to say it was is wrong. This leads to the question of why can’t he open a bank account?

I will say that I appreciate this discussion being more measured and while there are disagreements, I appreciate it being less aggravated in these last replies.

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[Deereyme66]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

I apologise ,not realising when Deeryme posted ( yes,apologise)
The post needs to have a response in no uncertain terms.
The post indicates the writers state of mind,unfortunately.

Does it really? I make no apologies for stating I don’t think people like Farage deserve to exist. Maybe a bit extreme but I don’t expect anyone to agree with me and of course you can complain as much you like, frankly I don’t give a damn. I’m certainly not taking a lecture from BPG and JI.

[Just Iron]

Wasn’t lecturing, Deerey… at least not intentionally.

[Deereyme66]

Apologies!

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[Heath]

Many examples through history and in current times of Christians assuming they have God’s given rights to decide who has the right to exist.

[Deereyme66]

I’m not saying he should be exterminated btw! I’m saying people like Farage, completely self interested and absorbed, creates nothing valuable to life, causes more trouble than he’s worth; people like that don’t deserve to exist in my book.

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[billpuntonsghost]

…” wasn’t lecturing Deerey.”…(sorry!!)JI
I don’t want to offend you….I only offend certain people.

[Deereyme66]

🙄

[Just Iron]

In case you missed it BPG …. ‘Irrespective of how we think of someone they should still be afforded the basic rights common to humanity. In Biblical terms its founded on the sanctity of life, man made in the image of God and bearing the vestiges of his character. A Christian subscribing to this worldview would, hopefully, be characterised by demonstrating a measure of grace and forgiveness when feeling wronged, not being easily offended, looking for the good in others and minimising their faults, not retaliating etc Not an easy gig to live up to by any means.’

[64]

I read one of his acolytes claiming banks are part of a left wing cabal’
Could he give the bank permission to release private details as to why this was done,it would prove him right wouldn’t it?
There’s a lot of specualtio but mist consitently it appears he’s fallen foul of one or both of two thing banks in UK don’t like
A ,funds not being traceable which could leave to bank open to laundering CHARGES
B,funds being traceable and the Bank thinks it doesn’t fit within current laws if they process it
This doesn’t stink, he clearly still has an account at other banks or wouldn’t be able to feed himself, he’s shit stirring to cover his personal embarrassment in my opinion
Bit like Tommy Robinson claiming he got arrested for protecting kids

[billpuntonsghost]

JI- “demonstrating a measure of grace and forgiveness….not being easily offended …etc. Unfortunately your attack on my character by yourself( without provocation )was not loving and you have continued to be hostile,even when I offered a hand of friendship.

[billpuntonsghost]

TwoWright,” I can’t stand Farage but this decision stinks,pure and simple.”
Liked by JI.
BPG “ I like Farage and this decision stinks ,pure and simple.”
NOT liked by JI.
I rest my case ,yer honour.

[billpuntonsghost]

..this demonstrates your hostility against me ,yet again JI.

[billpuntonsghost]

JI-“ wasn’t lecturing Deerey…at least not intentionally “
Didn’t mean to offend you Deerey 😂
It’s different with my Christian “friends”,though.😂

[Siderite]

BPG. I don’t know the ins and outs of your relations with JI, and exactly why you seem to have fallen out, so cannot make a judgement as to who is right or wrong. However, these stabs and complaints about not having your posts liked or being treated unfairly do not reflect well on you. I don’t mean this to be cruel, but if you’re trying to demonstrate a wrong committed against you by JI, it doesn’t come across well.

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[Siderite]

On topic, an interesting development:

So after days and days of coverage including multiple front pages, BBC reports that Nigel Farage

1. Didn't lose Coutts banks account because of his views, but because his balance was too low.
2. Farage admits being offered alternative account with Natwest, but hasn't taken it up https://t.co/704uQWxixt

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) July 4, 2023

Farage offered a NatWest account, but he isn’t interested and we are supposed to believe this is some coordinated action against him? I am leaning to thinking he’s pouring on the conspiracies to stay relevant and keep an audience through manufactured grievance now. Typical Farage behaviour.

For what it’s worth, it may be the Russian explanations were overplayed, and I was wrong about that. However, the idea that Farage is being shut out of society because he can’t access high end banks, but can get an ordinary NatWest account, is a bit much.

[Heath]

Oh dear BPG. You should stop believing every word you hear from false prophets.

[Deereyme66]

Farage? Contriving a conspiracy against him? Never!

[Siderite]

The funny thing for me is that Farage is kicking up a fuss because he can’t access a bank for the elite, and doesn’t want a standard account like most others.

[TwoWrights]

64 wrote:

He’s having bank accounts closed down and claims it’s political persecution, I’d wager banks cannot respond legally due to privacy concerns/laws so this idiot can continue to play the victim and his looney followers will love the conspiracy ideas

Looks like your wager is wrong, much like the banks decision to close his account. I hope they enjoy their Pyrric victory.

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[Siderite]

I can’t believe Coutts thought they could get away with briefing news outlets that it was because of falling below wealth limits, if they were citing other factors in that document. Surely they knew it could easily leak out. So it looks like Farage was right. I am not sure what can be done about it though, since Coutts operate on being an exclusive bank.

Still, as much as this latest updates raises alarms, it amuses me to think ‘man of the people’, our Nige, has been banking with an elitist bank.

[Iron-awe]

Nat West who own Coutts offered him an alternative account when this first blew up and have repeated the offer today but they have made themselves look completely ridiculous the way they have handled the whole affair. Can’t stand Farage but he’s entitled to his opinion and he should not have been treated this way, probably makes him feel like a boat person.

[Just Iron]

Glad to see the apology from NatWest CEO. Also happy to see that the Govt are reviewing the whole scenario. Watch that space.
Again ..the issue is not whether we like Farage or not. Its principle. If we can be excluded from participating in society ..and the necessities of life .. because of where our views sit on someone’s acceptability spectrum then we will all be candidates for suffering. China is already well down the road of enforcing conformity by potentially punitive social credit scores. Trudeau’s instruction to close the bank accounts of protesting truckers was a chilling wake up call to Western democracies. Another lesson ..looking back to the beginning of the thread.. is to try to get past our own preferences in such scenarios. First they came for the Brexiteers, then for the etc etc

[Siderite]

The reactions have been interesting. Often, when refusing custom, we hear how it’s the right of the company to refuse it if it doesn’t fit with the beliefs (see bakers and gay couples wanting wedding cakes). Of course banking is more fundamental to our existence, but legally it could get very messy regarding this, and for that reason I wouldn’t be surprised if Sunak drops it. It is odd seeing free market supporting Conservatives wanting state control over how such companies operate.

I do not like the exclusivity of banks in this regard, and makes me think lesser of them (especially regarding how they have handled the fall out), but I am struggling to see how we can stop exclusive banks like Coutts from acting like this, legally. It’s wrong, the cited examples include weak examples (liking a Ricky Gervais joke, for instance), but I think we should dial down tones of echos to Nazi Germany or any other totalitarian system. They wouldn’t have offered him an account at NatWest. I don’t think his political views are reason enough for him to lose a Coutts account, but if it was some totalitarian play to get him out of society, there wouldn’t be an offer at all.

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