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On another thread, Ferrite posted this yesterday, which I think is a more sensible post as opposed to either Pro or anti Hilton stances and broad brush conspiracy theory claims, though of course there has been some unsubstantiated claims, on both sides:
‘I think a healthy dose of scepticism is a pre-requisite for any football fan.
Obviously settling the tax debt was important but, otherwise, what positive signs have you seen since Hilton’s takeover?
Because I would point out the following:
– Proposing to move the club to Ilkeston – on non-matchdays
– Proposing to shut down the academy before Tony Daws explained the situation
– Appointing Jimmy Dean & the scatter-gun transfer policyIf we hadn’t had the Swann era, do you reckon you would be cutting him less slack?’.
Before anyone declares they’re not interested in this or have a different opinion, fine, maybe this isn’t for you, no need to declare it.
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On a couple of those points DM, Hilton changed his mind on two of them after listening to fan feedback, whether he should have asked for fan feedback before his original decisions were announced is a point already discussed but the main takeaway is he changed his mind after listening. Regarding JD, well the free transfer bonanza was a gamble that failed but DH obviously thought he had to try something and how much input the new manager had in to that we don’t know for sure. Hilton has said that next season will be the yardstick by which JD will be judged and whether some fans agree that is a good or a bad thing withstanding, the new owner has made his decision as is his right as owner.
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you said the same about the last owner before going on rants and abusing everyone who didn’t want to run across football fields breaking the law to get him out
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‘Ferrites post is just as anti Hilton as many others.’
You’ve clearly either not seen many others then that are far more anti-Hilton, or simply got that wrong. I suspect the latter, though I’m not sure you’ve seen a number of posts before they’ve disappeared, because if you had, you’d see Ferrte’s post is far more balanced.
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In the background to all this is why any property developer / business person would take over a struggling football club they have no affinity with in the first place. If ànyone thinks a person would do that for philanthropic reasons, then I question their reasoning. Just my opinion, but if it’s not to make a personal profit from it, why do it? How does making a club ‘sustainable’ tally with making a profit? I don’t understand the logic. What am I missing? Surely anyone taking over a club sees a way of making a profit at some point. That’s fine by me, but don’t see why I or any other supporters should be mithered in to being eternally grateful.
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Dean aswell; name one quality you’ve seen in him to be a suitable manager? I don’t include ingratiating yourself with supporters, when you see fit, and being ‘one of the lads’ qualities I’d look for.
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Bit of a dumb question there Deerey, why would anyone buy a football club “come on”. His explanation and he did give one in the interview at ilkeston is to save the club and make it sustainable and take all the kudos from doing so, I believe he said leave a legacy as well even though it would cost his family in the long run (can’t be arsed to listen to it again please say if I’ve got it wrong) that’s fair enough in my book, all Swanny wanted to do was build a new ground whether it was at Gainsborough or at Scunny but sadly fell well short, so his legacy is one of abject failure.
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but don’t see why I or any other supporters should be mithered in to being eternally grateful.
Why are posters like you trotting this crap out??? NOBODY has said anyone has to be eternally grateful or hail Mr Hilton for saving our club. From the posts I have read all the sensible people are saying is lets wait and see.
For those making out they know more than us, then tell us what it is you know in full or shut up and move on!
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Maybe because people say Hilton’s saved the club in response to any question of a Hilton decision or worry over a plan, particularly on Facebook and Twitter?
I have no problem with wait and see and don’t know if this GP rumour has any basis. So I am not blaming Hilton for anything surrounding this at the moment. However, after Swann I am more cautious and sceptical, and Hilton’s made mistakes so far, and these have caused mistrust among some, along with the bad record on Company’s House. These may have an explanation, but are bound to cause worry among some. Blaming those with worries over legitimate questions (no, not the Hilton is a drugs baron stuff) won’t alleviate concern. There have been attempts by Hilton to stamp his mark on the club, and they have been just as poorly executed and communicated as anything the club has done for the past few years. No twisting of facts needed for justifying a sceptical position for him.
I have said before that I am in Hilton’s group 2 fron his past remarks. I am wanting the club to succeed, which means hoping Hilton’s plans work. This doesn’t mean I won’t refuse to criticise elements I find concerning. I am aware of outlandish claims, but they aren’t the reason for any scepticism. I have a post on here saying why I thought the Ilkeston Iron thing was illogical.
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‘Why are posters like you trotting this crap out??? NOBODY has said anyone has to be eternally grateful or hail Mr Hilton for saving our club. From the posts I have read all the sensible people are saying is lets wait and see.’
Àgain with the insults. There are instances all over social media, including on here, where anyone criticicising or sceptical of Hilton have been met with continual ‘be grateful’ responses, Churchillian at times, rather than a rational discussion. Literally shouted down, by posters, often using the caps lock, and thanked, liked and derided by others. The conspiracy theories have gone too far, but so have those who have shut down sensible discussion. So spare me the similar ‘trotting this crap out’ line, headmaster style rhetoric. Thanks.
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Christ on a bike, the guy cannot win!!! He must really be wondering what he has walked into here with some of you lot!
That’s a bit rich from a poster who frequently reminds everyone that he had Swann’s number ‘from day one’. So when others respond critically to Hilton you’re all over them? Do me a favour.
That was based on evidence of Trinity supporters who told us what Swann was like, also anyone with a brain cell could see the way we were throwing money around was only going to end in disaster!
As for Hilton, yes I’m willing to give him the benefit of doubt and time to sort out the mess Swann left behind until he does something to change my opinion, that’s all I can do, lets not forget, Swann took a club over in a far better position to what Hilton did.
Meant to reply to this yesterday. You mention ‘based on Trinity supporters who told us what Swann was like’. My opinion is based on empirical evidence and information from a work colleague closely connected with the long running Bury saga, and a few people with closer connections to the club than I. I find this frequent tarring of others with the same brush, by sections of our supporters, as ‘keyboard warriors’ and accusations of basing their opinions on gossip on social media, tiresome and unconstructive, but it justifies a response. I’m sure some are basing their opinions mainly on social media content. Personally, I’m not.
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I predict there’ll be many Scunthorpe United fans walking away from Glanford Park on Wednesday evening shaking their heads in disbelief at what they’ve just witnessed.
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