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    Northumbiron
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    …that you don’t know what you’ve got ’til it’s gone!

    https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-and-veg-will-run-out-unless-britain-charters-planes-to-fly-in-farm-workers-from-eastern-europe

    The benefits of Brexit showing already.

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    #174798

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    dont worry NI boris will make them on benefits go pick them, people at the moment would kill to get out in the fresh air and countryside, perhaps they could charge people to pick them a bit like a theme park,

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    I think they should make the lily livered, privileged prats who spend Mummy and Daddy’s cash on party lifestyles while studying for degrees in Mickey Mouse studies should be forced to work their arses off for once in their lives. We have indulged these wasters for too long, it’s about time they actually contribute to this society, instead of theorising their useless theories on why milk is racist because it’s white!

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    You’re stuck in 1987 BA! How exactly are students indulged? Higher ed. is not free these days. Students are loaned thousands of pounds for their education, so they start life with a millstone of debt!

    AWG – most of those on benefits are actually employed, they get the benefits because they’re paid bugger-all. Many of them work in the NHS and social care sectors, so they won’t have time to pick veg. You’ll soon have to put your own shoulder to the wheel.

    It sounds like ‘stuck-home’ syndrome is getting to many on here. The far right in particular seems to be a bag of anger these days, and yet they’re in government!! Sounds like too many hobbyists are in trouble due to Tory incompetence.

    Lock-down has even spread to the board, with the thread ‘Clapping the NHS’ being the latest victim, due to Bucksiron providing the best evidence yet that Corona can affect mental health, with a characteristic, contradictory, effluent-tinged rant about how he doesn’t care about anyone’s comments or opinions!

    Sounds like the dissonance caused by Tribal Toryism and an avoidable apocalypse is driving some to drink. Here’a a cocktail: take one part contradiction, two parts anger two parts angst, and mix with bitters and cheap shots.

    Recommendation: stay off the booze, stay off the bru, avoid Corona.

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    #174839

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    Who’s BA?

    Absolute poppycock! Since tuition fees more students from working class backgrounds have entered university and most don’t pay back their debts due to the conditions, where there is a minimum wage threshold and it gets wiped if not paid back by 50. The proliferation of Mickey Mouse studies, as Blair promoted, created a workshy mob of would-be party goers, has left a generation of scroungers whose useless degrees serve nothing for real work and a mindset of people thinking they’re better than this because they have a piece of paper.

    Most students treat it as a jaunty, in which they go out, throw up and don’t attend lectures! These cretins would be better off doing something useful so they can prove their worth to society. Now is the perfect time for it, and with shortages in food stocks they should be the ones to do it!

    #174841

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    hey big j leave NI out of it.

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    All the old tropes about students! Where do you get your information?

    True, there are more ‘working class’ students than ever because the population has increased. But also because there are also far fewer apprenticeships or prospects for school leavers. Many jobs that used to require an A level, now require a degree. Sadly, more have dropped out due to poor financial prospects afterwards.

    And true again about loan repayments; wages are so low and prospects meagre that it can take a lifetime to repay them, and a percentage of the loan gets written off in about 70% of cases.

    “Workshy mob of party-goers” – people were saying the same about students in the middle ages! Today, many stack supermarket shelves as well as study. They have to, to supplement funds when there’s no bank of mum n dad.

    And most students are more conscientious and hard working, far more than they ever were in previous decades when attendance wasn’t compulsory and grants were available.

    As for party-pukers, most of those I see puking are in front of the tv listening to Johnson, Farage & co talking about how NHS cuts make it more efficient.

    The more people go on to higher ed, the better for everyone. Where’s the joy in fields and factories, living like Arthur Seaton? (look it up).

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    hey big j leave NI out of it.

    Eh! What have I done now?

    Another blanket thrown over a socio-economic group.

    All students, all immigrants, all LBGT, all pensioners, all the homeless, all those on benefits etc etc!

    Aye, no one goes out on the piss apart from students. Ever been in the City of London after the banks close?

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    you know i was joking NI but you was the only one who i thought had a degree.

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    Very true NI.

    And here’s another thing… never mind students, there are too many business people, especially self-employed ones.

    The problem is that so many people have lost their jobs in the last 10 years and benefits have been so paltry, that they have almost been forced into self-employment.

    Becoming your own boss and being successful has been regarded as quick and easy to do, when the truth is that it’s anything but.

    Why? Because most people are unsuited to it. Just because you can drink and know about drinks, doesn’t mean you can run a pub. Just because you can drive and know the area, doesn’t mean you can run a cab firm. Just because you can lay bricks or put up scaffolding, it doesn’t mean you can run a building or scaffolding firm.

    It happens at the other end of spectrum too. Dentists, doctors, architects, lawyers, academics… all might have been attracted to the profession they loved because they loved doing it, yet the moment they become a partner, or the sole owner of a practice, they become first and foremost a businessperson, same as the self-employed cabbie, tailor, candlestick maker, etc.

    Running a business means they need to be familiar with finance, accounts, HR, advertising, marketing, PR, business development, and a whole lot more. And like any football manager, they need luck.

    Alas, too many people start up a business thinking only about independence and earning loadsamoney. But unless they are really interested in all the above and good at it too – and the most successful usually are – they’ll never have much more than a hobby.

    Fact is that most startups fail in the first 5 years – about 60 % in the UK. Some say it’s as high as 80%. And they usually leave behind a trail of unpaid bills, unpaid taxes, ruined careers of employees, damage to their own reputations, and it’s usually the state who has to come in and wind things up.

    That is the price of failure, as some on here know already. Yet, self-employment us so often the bolt-hole of those who really shouldn’t be let anywhere near a spreadsheet, or employing others, because they haven’t got a Scooby.

    The government won’t tell you all this because they don’t want you to claim benefits. They want you to think it’s almost a duty to start up a business. Yet, the reality is just the opposite, like with so much else of what this government tells you.

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    “Lock-down has even spread to the board, with the thread ‘Clapping the NHS’ being the latest victim, due to Bucksiron providing the best evidence yet that Corona can affect mental health, with a characteristic, ‘
    Gurney, trust mewhen I say that Bucks cannot be wholly responsible for too many threads descending into anarchy, theres also people having a go at him, even when hes not around,

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    “Lock-down has even spread to the board, with the thread ‘Clapping the NHS’ being the latest victim, due to Bucksiron providing the best evidence yet that Corona can affect mental health, with a characteristic, ‘
    Gurney, trust mewhen I say that Bucks cannot be wholly responsible for too many threads descending into anarchy, theres also people having a go at him, even when hes not around,

    Posted from the moral high ground, just past an ant knee!

    It’s our time.

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    TW,your post shows why I don’t explain decisions very often.Its not worth it,you just get more grief doing so.Its not hard to see us getting bogged down in threads ,so they get closed.No one person is to blame.

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    TW,your post shows why I don’t explain decisions very often.Its not worth it,you just get more grief doing so.Its not hard to see us getting bogged down in threads ,so they get closed.No one person is to blame.

    I agree with your final six words. I also think that a mods word is final, if users don’t like that they’re free to clear off.

    It’s our time.

    #174871

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    A mods word is final? “Bellboyyyyy!!!!!”

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    #174875

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    I see Xxx has had his/her/its little outburst swept away. :-)
    ***kers indeed!
    It’s our time.

    #174959

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    seems like the guardian got it wrong NI it appears there are thousands of brits willing to do these jobs now.

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