I want separation from endless religious videos posted on a football forum. I watched the video, it provided nothing that would convince anybody who doesn’t believe in the Christian God to change their mind. I’m not scared of Hell, because I don’t believe it exists and I believe it was constructed by the church to scare the congregation into staying at church. I’m not worried about separation from the Christian God, because I don’t believe such a being exists.
Videos can provoke thought, and can be a welcome addition to a forum, but sending endless and pointless videos can be the opposite.
You have asked this question, or questions like it, several times before. Every time you have failed to understand the basics of empathy, which is more concerning to me than any atheistic approach. Humans are capable of great misery, but are also capable of understanding moral systems and we should strive to be moral because of what’s right, not promises of eternal salvation or threats of eternal torture. Your outlook presents a bleaker vision of humanity than my (and several others’) secular viewpoints.
..” we should strive to be moral because of what’s right.”
Who decides what’s right or wrong?
Hitler had a worldview different to yours,why was he wrong and you were right.Who decides in your Atheistic worldview?
Like I said, your lack of understanding as to what empathy is or understanding of how actions can impact others is on display. Humans don’t need a God, its rules or promises and threats to do right from wrong.
Hitler was wrong according to secular morality and according to religious morality. A species without a certain amount of morality (within its own species, the morality of treating other species is a very different topic) is not going to get very far (if all humans were murderers, humans would die out in a single generation). Our morality does not require a god, it starts as a means for survival of the species, leading to sympathy. Later with education and social etiquette, these morals have been written down and enforced. If the only thing stopping you from rape and murder is your belief in a god, then please keep believing
If we had a government like North Korean or China, a totalitarian regime where people disappear if you disagree with their ideology,would this be your idea of a moral government? You have a rather optimistic view of a secular society . All societies that have abandoned the Christian worldview ( having an atheistic worldview) has led to chaos and misery – 120 million dead in the last century.You view of society is false and as we move away from Christian morals ,disaster in just around the corner.
Yes, North Korea and China are the only examples of secular societies. Well done. Also, I don’t remember saying I had any kind of admiration for such regimes, and have repeatedly opposed them in the past. Yet you keep asking the same questions. It’s wearying talking with someone who has no will at good faith.
Have you conveniently forgotten the atrocities done in the name of Christianity. The crusades, the Spanish inquisition, etc. Genocide done by the Christian Right governments. There are atrocities and immorality in many governments and institutions, religious and secular, left and right. Immorality is not the preserve of atheism.
I go back to the original question about morals,why are you right and Hitler was wrong in your atheistic worldview? You disagree with North Korea and China,why?
Who is right and who is wrong? The atheistic societies haven’t a belief in Heaven and Hell,so why not do what they want. You may not like it ,but without following the word of God ,the only outcome in chaos and misery.
The ridiculous argument of atrocities done in the name of Christianity is false. Anyone can say they did an atrocity in the name of Christianity. The truth is they were going against the word of God and that’s the point,going against the word of God only leads to chaos and misery.
If I was to be as simplistic as you, I’d point out that western, secularised society has given great benefits to the world in science, technology, yet moral values still exist. It might not be the same as yours, but there is a value system there as we have seen implemented in gay rights, women’s rights etc. Yet the so morally superior, theistic nations ruin women’s lives, gay’s lives, have racial discrimination towards others etc.
So, kindly, bugger off with your endless moral grandiosity. I can accept that Christians can be moral, as can Muslims, Jews, Hindus and Pagans. I accept that people can be moral, while they follow a different view to me. However, you are utterly unable or unwilling to understand anyone else’s point of view and will try and degrade others for a pathetic gotcha. Your attempts to use controversial topics, like Hitler, demonstrates your crassness and small minded mindset perfectly. If others see this and think this is strong, I will say that the topics brought about by bpg are intended to be demeaning towards others and display a stunning lack of empathy or understanding.
Your dogmatic mindset seemingly compulses you to try and demonstrate how superior your view is compared to the rest of us misguided fools. However, it’s the same tired tripe I have seen before by a fundamentalist who has next to zero hope of converting others to their religion. Your religion has been responsible for much misery itself, from the Crusades (massacring a huge percentage of Jews, Muslims etc), killing Pagans in Poland and the Baltic areas, genocide of heretical Christians (Cathars), murders of ‘witches’, the Spanish Inquisition, Ante Pavelic and his genocides (among others) and Serbs killing Muslims back in the 90s. Witch burnings still happen in parts of Africa and gays are down trodden and killed in some countries for who they are. I am not saying this to demonise Christianity as irredeemable; I am aware that many Christians used their beliefs to do good, such as many who opposed slavery in the US south. I have fonder views of other Christians on this board, even though I disagree on a lot. My point is that Christianity doesn’t gurantee morality, and these Christians who committed immoral acts saw themselves as Christian as you do.
The major cause of chaos and misery is ideological certainty and dogmatism. Be it Christianity, Islam, communism or fascism. I stand against all of the atrocities and oppression caused by dogmatism to faiths and political ideologies alike.
I go back to the original question about morals,why are you right and Hitler was wrong in your atheistic worldview? You disagree with North Korea and China,why?
Who is right and who is wrong? The atheistic societies haven’t a belief in Heaven and Hell,so why not do what they want. You may not like it ,but without following the word of God ,the only outcome in chaos and misery.
It won’t kill you to understand what I, FiftyPence and others have said.
The ridiculous argument of atrocities done in the name of Christianity is false. Anyone can say they did an atrocity in the name of Christianity. The truth is they were going against the word of God and that’s the point,going against the word of God only leads to chaos and misery.
Those Christians will say that they understand the word of God, that you are a heretic and shall burn in Hell. Everyone seemingly has their own interpretation of Biblical scripture and the immoral fundies can’t be just brushed aside because they’re inconvenient. Your religion isn’t a gurantee of righteousness. It can form moral codes, not always good, sometimes so, but it can cause some justification for atrocities.
This is why I say which morals are right and which are wrong.Who decides?
If there is no God and no Heaven and Hell all things are possible.
God has told us how to live in the God breathed words of the Bible. Rebellion against this leads to chaos and disaster.
It doesn’t take a genius to work out how our actions may affect others. Many have used ‘God’s word’ to justify acts which harm others, causing chaos, misery and disaster. Yet you will still ask the same questions, refusing to take it in that others think differently.
Bowing out now. I have said all that I needed to say.
I go back to the question,why was Hitlers worldview wrong,if there is no Heaven and Hell? Please answer within your atheistic worldview. You have no foundation to stand on,but I wait for your intelligent reply.
This has been answered repeatedly. I have said I am not making any more responses to your tiresome asking of the same questions. If you cannot work out my view after this has been repeatedly answered today and many times before, it’s not my fault.
People can’t physically live together without morality.
There are many potential sources for morality, or humanity. Being nice because of heaven and heck’s carrot and stick approach isn’t necessarily the best guide to moral behaviour. But most of all it’s just a ridiculous assertion to claim morality proves the existence of supernatural being. The argument is not going to sway anybody towards (or away from) believing in the wholly goat, it’s internet preachers method of getting pats on the back from their congregation who already fully believe.
I’m not going to watch yet another video. I’ve wasted enough time already, none of the ones before have changed my opinions or my beliefs, and have no reason to believe this one will be any different.
Guys bill is beyond all reasonable hope I’m afraid, if we needed an example of indoctrination or cultish behaviour he in my estimation is the perfect example. Let him go and run with his so called beliefs but attempting anything approach logical discussion with him is just a waste of everybody’s, his included, time. Once again regarding bill it’s time to move on.
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