Dirtiest Government in the modern era

[64]

Funnelling billions of covid money into their mates pockets on wasted equipment that thye had no experience in supplying while ignoring expert suppliers already in the system, Funnelling billions into their mates with tax cuts paid for with loans,the amount of which is not known as it’s not costed.
Emergency laws in covid to prevent them being prosecuted for their intended covid equipment frauds.
They now have the cheek to demonise workers ,as greedy for wanting a pay rise ,
They tore up parliamentary conventions and rules ,a show of pure arrogance and entitlement
Dirty filthy con men and women.
Not in my lifetime has a government behaved so abominably,the worse they behave ,the more racist morons love them.

[Just Iron]

Some really valid points strongly made… so why the last bit? It’s so self defeating to play the race card at every turn. It will be self defeating and cause more racism if it is introduced at every opportunity irrespective of its relevance.

[Deereyme66]

Non sequitur?

[64]

Race card?? telling words
I stand by it, most people who back Johmson in particualar in my twitter and facebook feeds have appalling records in posting anti-immigrant stuff,they use” race card” a lot too
We have to somehow get away from the footbsll supporter type political following and get some decency back into whitehall and parliament,we don’t want a Trump

[Just Iron]

Just tell me how it fits in your post. Your post wasn’t anything to do with race… then out it pops. Calm down and stay on topic. And if you believe that the Tories were elected by millions of racists … just because they inhabit your twitter and Facebook world … then perhaps the bigotry you so obviously detest is something of a projection of your own selective thinking.

[Bucksiron]

It’s impossible to respond to this type of stuff, which is just abusive and nonsensical.

[Heath]

“It’s impossible to respond to this type of stuff, which is just abusive and nonsensical”.

NO it isn’t.

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TwoWrights

[Heath]

Truss £2 million public money in 6 months, Raab £67k.

Either Truss doesn’t care whose money she spends (e.g lunch with Liz) or Dom is a lazy bastard or both?

What do you think Bucks?

[Siderite]

What about Labour?

https://twitter.com/unionlib/status/1579818856897736704

Can’t trust it, Private Eye is a Marxist mag. :-P

[Bucksiron]

Heath (and TW), if you don’t find this comment in the OP abusive then I pity you:

“Dirty filthy con men and women. Not in my lifetime has a government behaved so abominably,the worse they behave ,the more racist morons love them.”

Are you seriously saying that is acceptable? These are nasty comments. There’s no other word for them; and as usual, of course, it’s full of irony given problems Labour’s had with anti-Semitism, which is racism, and the numbers who supported them.

[Siderite]

If you are referring to the racist morons comment, I tend to agree, since it’s too broad brush and made by someone who has glossed over Labour anti-Semitism.

However, I couldn’t give a fig about calling a government abominable or full of con men/women because it may hurt supporters’ feelings. The government isn’t them and if we’re to refrain from course language aimed at governments, then we’re giving into political correctness.

[64]

“Dirty filthy con men and women. Not in my lifetime has a government behaved so abominably,the worse they behave ,the more racist morons love them.”
Acceptable and true.since when did racists being seen as morons not ,be acceptable?
The truth as abuse is an odd concept.
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[TwoWrights]

Bucksiron wrote:

Heath (and TW), if you don’t find this comment in the OP abusive then I pity you:

“Dirty filthy con men and women. Not in my lifetime has a government behaved so abominably,the worse they behave ,the more racist morons love them.”

Are you seriously saying that is acceptable? These are nasty comments. There’s no other word for them; and as usual, of course, it’s full of irony given problems Labour’s had with anti-Semitism, which is racism, and the numbers who supported them.

Do as I do with many posts (elsewhere as well as on here) and feel free to ignore it and move on with your day. Some on the left are nutters with dangerous views, some on the right are too, who knew?! 🙂

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Siderite

[Bucksiron]

It certainly doesn’t “hurt my feelings” and I agree, TW, that the left and right both have their share of dangerous nutters. Furthermore, I’m all for free speech and against what’s become a very PC-dominated world. But no matter how much you try to make excuses for this type of language, or break it down into more ‘acceptable bits’, it remains pure abuse.

[Siderite]

It wasn’t a matter of breaking into acceptable chunks, it was to highlight that some of it is quite tame and not deserving to be grouped with a more questionable comment. This constant looking for bad faith interpretations for people who disagree with you is quite tiring.

If people think that a government is terrible and crooked, what language is acceptable? Should people really have to modify language so drastically for minimal offence? I really doubt anyone on here is offended by calling members of this government con men or the government abominable. It targets no-one on here. I see language of similar severity used against Labour. It may have been different if 64 had called all Tories, voters alike, abominable or con artists, but he specifically referred to the government. You are not your beliefs or the party you support. Insulting a government is not insulting you. If anyone thinks it is, they should grow a thicker skin, and get over it. It’s PC to expect people not to call out such, in accordance with their beliefs.

[Bucksiron]

“Some of it is quite tame”?! Cobblers. It’s pure abuse about anyone and everyone connected to the Tory party and making excuses for this type of language is contemptible. And Labour claims the Tories are nasty. It doesn’t get much nastier than this.

But, hey, I’m sure the usual suspects will all back you up.

[Siderite]

Ok PC brigade. I ask again. If someone thinks a party is crooked and terrible, what acceptable terms can we use to avoid offence from the woke? People are free to find political parties horrible. I couldn’t care less if alcazar or someone says Labour is abominable. If you’re offended by this, grow a thicker skin. I am bored of people seeking offence for minor opinions, when they aren’t insulting them specifically, because of hurt feelings.

Anyone who disagrees with you is suspect and disingenuous. Yawn.

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TwoWrights

[Siderite]

I am really fed up of making a civil disagreement and only getting snide dismissals in return from someone who frequently complains about how others react. It’s patronising towards me, when I am trying to be as civil as possible. I could not care less about others supporting me, but it has to be some grand conspiracy, because God forbid me disagreeing with you.

[Bucksiron]

I’m pretty fed up of snide comments — and worse — from all over the place, Siderite. Anyone seriously believing that I’m referring to the use of ‘abominable’, ‘crooked’ and ‘terrible’ is a fool.

If you — and TW — can’t see what the comment really said then you’re either blind or stupid.

[Siderite]

I didn’t say you were referring to terrible and crooked, because you didn’t say that. I made it quite clear to the response that I didn’t think that the racist morons comment was acceptable. You then responded, snidely, that I was breaking it down into acceptable chunks, as if I was trying to water down the comment. You then said my argument that the other bits (i.e. abominable or the current Tory government is full of con men) is not abuse to be cobblers. Now, of course, you never said that. It’s not my fault if you were unclear or couldn’t understand my point, eh? However, because you’re never wrong, I don’t expect any kind of backing down here, just more comments aimed at me, while justifying it because others have done the same to him. It’s a bit tedious and hypocritical.

I am trying to be balanced and reasonable, but this is not good enough, because it doesn’t fit in perfectly with how you want me to argue. And, of course, out come the personal insults against me. However, I am sure that’s ok, because others have insulted you. Yawn.

[Siderite]

Siderite wrote:

If you are referring to the racist morons comment, I tend to agree, since it’s too broad brush and made by someone who has glossed over Labour anti-Semitism.

To avoid the predictable gaslighting, here was my comment spelling out that I agreed with your comment on this. You then took exception because I didn’t say the rest of it was nasty. Now, of course, I am an idiot if I thought this.

This is either you failing to understand my simple point or you are gaslighting. Which is it?

[Iron-awe]

It appears Buck’s has reappeared to drop into his favourite pursuit of antagonism rather then address issues he gets pushed on, leave it alone Siderite his agenda is clear, his beloved Tory party are fu****g up big time but he will deflect and avoid the issues whilst dragging you into his shithousing. As usual he begins to unravel but don’t descend into the pit of despair with him, let him wallow in his own shite.

[Siderite]

It’s just irritating, because I was agreeing with him (and JI) that the racist morons vote Tory element is not good, but I wanted to clarify that I didn’t think the rest of the quote was abusive. Yet this gets taken exception to, and now anyone thinking he had a problem with that is a fool.

That the earlier part of the quote was not referred to was not obvious and you’d think a civil comment on this would not get the usual disrespect, especially when I was agreeing with the worst element of it.

[Bucksiron]

Neither failure to understand nor gaslighting, Siderite. What you’re claiming to be a “simple point” is totally and utterly irrelevant and ‘tending to agree’ that the “racist morons comment” is “too broad brush and made by someone who has glossed over Labour anti-Semitism” is pathetic.

The comment is pure abuse and if you or anyone else can’t see that then you — and they — are either blind or stupid.

[Deereyme66]

Like speaking to an angry brick wall Siderite. Not worth the energy and in danger of the post being locked (like mine was other week).

[Siderite]

I was agreeing with you that this element was abuse, dimwit.

[Siderite]

What is pathetic about agreeing with your statement, saying that it’s too broad brush and that 64 was being hypocritical? I take it that you are too stupid to understand a simple point.

If I agree I am pathetic, if I disagree I am horrible. No winning. Well, it’s either that or you fail to understand and are desperate to portray me as suspect and disingenuous.

How come you clearly failed to understand, as your latest reply demonstrates?

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