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Well that’s the first time I’ve seen Heath ever say ‘flotsam’ so you’re wrong there.
Ireland are having their imports from the EU arrive directly from the continent, rather than arriving through the UK, but think about the benefits. :-) Hauliers are being told to avoid us. We can be self-sustaining on everything; food, cars, natural gas, clothing, minerals and all goods, as John Redwood says. X-)
Well that’s the first time I’ve seen Heath ever say ‘flotsam’ so you’re wrong there.
That’s 2 of you on the roundabout sit next to each other you could be good buddies and stick up for each other l forgot you do
Well if that’s all you got Deirdre you better call for back up don’t get dizzy going round
I’d take comparisons of remainers to Trump a bit more seriously if they hadn’t spent the last four years decrying judges as enemies of the people, playing up to populist whims, apologising for or encouraging civil disobedience if they don’t get their way and cosying up to Trump himself:
Johnson fans say that ‘He's nothing like Trump’, says @peterkyle But ask yourself why aren’t friends of Angela Merkel or Emanuel Macron saying they’re nothing like Trump? The answer is simple, they don’t need to point out the obvious. With Boris Johnson it isn't so obvious.
— Nick Cohen (@NickCohen4) January 12, 2021
Follow the whole thread for the above.Right wing commentator Brendan O’Neill calling for riots over Brexit is the height of irresponsibility. Lost lives, broken families, burnt out homes, looted shops and damaged businesses are not some cheap talking point. pic.twitter.com/EnJ18yeVaF
— David Lammy (@DavidLammy) September 27, 2019
Sure, remainers are not immune to criticism, and there is a cultish element to the FBPE crowd, but the right needs to look at itself when making such comparisons, because they don’t come out squeaky clean. Not by a long shot. Unfortunately, the right always demands the left to look at itself, but never does what it preaches.
BRI, just consider what it’s like to have the sort of comments aimed at you that Gurnelista comes out with. Does anyone on here genuinely believe it’s acceptable for him to weaponise mental health — and make no mistake, that is exactly what he’s doing — or to weaponise coronavirus deaths as he’s done. He then even attempts to justify what he says when any decent person knows his comments are unjustifiable.
Then ask yourself why I comment as I do. I haven’t seen you or anyone else take him to task over this. So the only assumption I can make is that you’re all happy for it to happen. Is there any wonder I find you all so pathetic. Or that I question your views.
The fact is my mental health is excellent. I talk about clinical depression because it’s important to avoid the stigma associated with it, the sort of stigma that clowns such as Gurnelista with his absurd comments do so much to create. The guy’s a total coward.
Heath, Deerey, etc, I’ve made my position very clear. If you’re such experts in economics and business you’d not only recognise and understand the benefits of leaving the EU but also accept they are there. Yet you clearly cannot see or understand what I’m talking about. I’m sorry if that offends you but it’s the truth.
A good business person understands that leaving the EU creates change; and it’s change that creates opportunities and benefits. This isn’t about fishing quotas or filling in forms, which is what you seem to believe but about looking to the rest of the world — as well as the EU — for new opportunities, both in terms of ideas and attracting great talent.
I’ve pointed out already that the UK attracted more digital investment last year than the whole of the rest of Europe put together. This is a fantastic opportunity for the country on a global basis. That’s what I’m talking about.
I am not responsible for the behaviour of others and have made references to how I can understand how Gurnelista’s remarks on mental health are irritating and not agreeable.
This is not an excuse for responding as you do to others and your straw manning etc. It seems you acknowledge your own incendiary nature but are trying to make that my fault, which is pathetic.
You can see where I disagreed with someone insulting you earlier in this thread, but this gets ignored so you can play the martyr and pretend I am the bully. Stop with the guilt by association and martyr complex. You have been victim of nastiness, but dish it out yo all and sundry.
You justify your own behaviour towards me with guilt by association, but do not allow me to express similar anger at you for your own behaviour. This is hypocrisy at its finest. So when you feel picked on you can hoel at us for being nasty and call us out. When it’s the other way round and I feel picked on by you it’s still our fault and we should suck it up. It doesn’t work that way. You’re no better than the rest of us, and your own behaviour and inability to look at yourself in the mirror shows that.
I will leave it at that.
Gurny has never once called me pathetic or a wanker which you have!!!
The only one who is pathetic on here is YOU. Does that make my position clear enough for you?
Yet you clearly cannot see or understand what I’m talking about.
Probably because you don’t tell us what they are Bucks!
leaving the EU creates change; and it’s change that creates opportunities and benefits.
Again, what are they? Will any of us see a benefit?
I’ve pointed out already that the UK attracted more digital investment last year than the whole of the rest of Europe put together.
For anyone who’s none the wiser: –
Anyway chill out Bucks, at least no one’s called you a “sick twat” this week!
Your comments about leaving the EU creating change and change creating opportunities and benefits certainly doesn’t offend me. Why should they? I am still waiting for something beyond the nebulous and beyond pre-Brexit digital investment. Believe it or not I know a number of excellent business people who have done very well for themselves. None of them see much benefit in leaving but plenty of obstacles and barriers. I think they’d laugh you out the room to be frank.
Yet you clearly cannot see or understand what I’m talking about.
Probably because you don’t tell us what they are Bucks!
leaving the EU creates change; and it’s change that creates opportunities and benefits.
Again, what are they? Will any of us see a benefit?
I’ve pointed out already that the UK attracted more digital investment last year than the whole of the rest of Europe put together.
For anyone who’s none the wiser: –
Anyway chill out Bucks, at least no one’s called you a “sick twat” this week!
If it was Gurnelista calling him that you’d be expected to condemn him or be judged as part of it. Yet I bet he never would call bartonscorpion on this.
Conservatives love personal responsibility, but only when it’s for other people. :-)
True.
The expression ‘personal responsibility’ is a loaded term in politics. It’s handy for the Tories because it means the poor have nobody to blame but themselves. It suggests that dependence on the State is due to weakness and fecklessness. It means that poverty is something not to be pitied, but to be ashamed of.
In contrast, it means the wealthy, successful and uniquely brilliant are so because they take responsibility.
Interesting, the way that language can shape the way people think, and vice-versa.
Oh, and Gurn would never be caught hurling invective as dull and unimaginative as ‘sick twat’!
Good post.
Remember Tebbit telling workers made redundant by Thatcherite policy to stop protesting and “get on their bikes” and look for work?
Recently we’ve seen the same crap rehashed. Telling us a ballet dancer’s next job could be in cyber!
I guess any production workers make redundant when Nissan closes and moves to France can move into digital investments.
BTW I’m not sick at the moment, I’m actually feeling quite well. Must be staying away from other people!
Totally agree NI, it is a good post. There are a number of salient points that cut right to the heart of the matter. It’s what Bucks frequently bucks about-labelling Tories as nasty. I’m not saying their aren’t good and decent Tories out there, of course there is. But this prevailing attitude of successive cabinets (and particularly this one-that Cummings conditioning was a great success) that poverty is to be pitied while completely rejecting effective assistance and responsibility is similar to Dickensian times. Take the latest school meals scandal.
Being wealthy and successful? Interesting how for the Tories this is all about individual effort. Particularly, those that have come from rich stock!
This is my problem with Bucks advocating opportunities and benefits from Brexit. For whom? Johnson’s first year has made that abundantly clear! And how are business people going to benefit from increased competition and barriers? Ah yes, more rights to treat and pay their workers much less. It’s a no brainer for some unscrupulous employers and I’d be amazed if Bucks isn’t aware of this.
Your comments about leaving the EU creating change and change creating opportunities and benefits certainly doesn’t offend me. Why should they? I am still waiting for something beyond the nebulous and beyond pre-Brexit digital investment. Believe it or not I know a number of excellent business people who have done very well for themselves. None of them see much benefit in leaving but plenty of obstacles and barriers. I think they’d laugh you out the room to be frank.
So you want to be frank now better tell heath about the name change Deirdre
Try telling this guy about the opportunities and benefits of Brexit now Bucks. Try telling him he’s refusing to accept the result like Trump merely because he raises serious concerns now, despite voting to leave. Try telling him he wasn’t conned by media and PR:
This video of the same fish merchant in 2016 and then again recently is utterly heartbreaking. All the more so today, as fish is left to rot in the docks and fish merchants are going bust. Nothing but compassion for conned voters like Ian Perkes. ~AA pic.twitter.com/BTMqACCjq2
— Best for Britain (@BestForBritain) January 13, 2021
Above is one of your real business people Bucks, not one of your disaster capitalist spivs milking the country dry, or one of the government’s lying PR team.
Try telling this guy about the opportunities and benefits of Brexit now Bucks. Try telling him he’s refusing to accept the result like Trump merely because he raises serious concerns now, despite voting to leave. Try telling him he wasn’t conned by media and PR:
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The increase in red tape will be the fault of traitorous remainers or the EU stabbing us in the back. It won’t be because of difficulties in operating trade with the continent because of us operating outside of their markets. It will never ever be anything to do with them.
They claimed to be on the side of fishermen, made out anyone critical of what leaving would mean to fisherman and others were uncaring elitists, but when their promises don’t come to fruition they scarper. They congratulate themselves on the crap deal they have and say fishermen should be pleased with it, oblivious to the realities of what they were expecting, but ignore their disappointment. It creates the impression they couldn’t care less about those they fought for and that they mirror the elites they dislike. Yet if you were to point this out to them they’d howl about how bitter and uncharitable you are being to them, after years of deriding remainers as citizens of nowhere, traitors and scum.
Only liberals should self-evaluate according to them.
Question are you in the heath and Derdrie club or up your own arse hmm I know the answer
Do yo ever stop talking bollocks that you have no control over
I’ve always wondered what a message board would look like if it would have a flea infestation and XXX has thankfully stepped up to answer that wonder. :-)
I generally support free speech, though in the case of XXX it’s time the flea was swotted. Sad, sad person.
As for the deal, it’s all going very smoothly isn’t it. Gove has finally been rumbled. We’ve spent 4 years and billions to negotiate 2% more fish. Our 2% increased annual quota is currently rotting away in Scottish warehouses after Week 1.
The fish are smelling bad and so is Bucks and Johnson’s oven ready deal. Surprised that the Tories are not putting rotten fish stew on the menu for our absent school kids!
It helps if your fisheries minister actually reads the documents instead of singing “Away in a Manger”!
https://apple.news/A_vCzXv4wS9S10JQxrGRvlw
Don’t worry folks, just teething problems!
I generally support free speech, though in the case of XXX it’s time the flea was swotted. Sad, sad person.
As for the deal, it’s all going very smoothly isn’t it. Gove has finally been rumbled. We’ve spent 4 years and billions to negotiate 2% more fish. Our 2% increased annual quota is currently rotting away in Scottish warehouses after Week 1.
The fish are smelling bad and so is Bucks and Johnson’s oven ready deal. Surprised that the Tories are not putting rotten fish stew on the menu for our absent school kids!
Hmm free speech only when they agree with you I’m afraid you don’t like it if they dont
Anyway l see you have a new mate sidney l don’t want derdrie (who wants to be Frank) very strange getting upsetIt took them a grand total of two weeks to pivot from “great deal, great for both parties, take that remoaners!” to “the EU have stabbed us in the back!”
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErrqSOhWMAAfZUc?format=jpg&name=large
Talk of extra red tape and bureaucracy was dismissed as project fear. Switzerland are in the Single Market, we’re not, so the comparison is void.
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