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April 4, 2023 at 1:54 am #258845
im quite surprised as to the seemingly unfazed opinions from Iron fans on DH announcement to move training to Ilkeston PURELY ON THE BACK OF THE CURRENT TRAINING FACILITY IS FIT FOR PURPOSE ,this is my issue its been ok for years of success and more recently abject failures but why the sudden need after relegation to move ? there are local options but they are being ignored , yes a severe staff cull is needed but IMO SUFC in its entirety should stay in the town and i see this as the first step for that not to happen.
Opening GP only on match days is just gash and the local fan base will drift away as will any grass roots interest that was seen at the recent home game.There is more to this training move than meets the eye .. reading other people (not connected to the club) on it all is rather sobering.
MY possible outcome senarios ….. call it conspiracy theory or not its what i think may unfold.
Training to Ilk
Match days only at GP
Pre season and cup games played at ILK
All surrounding land inc car park SOLD leaving the ground an unsustainable poorly maintained isolated eyesore possibly still with Swans name tagged to it…within 1 or 2 years that too will be sold and demolished and replaced with retail units or even a slaughter house such as the hatchet job done on the club.
No new training facility will ever be sourced in Scunny regardless if rented of developed by the club.
In time everything will move to ILK and at that point a phoenix club will emerge in Scunny much the same as Bury.On the footballing side .. all the youngsters like Wilson , Poulter , Foster will go with very few of the others remaining , JD with a totally blank canvas so at least several years in NLN.
Astute businessman or savior DH bought SUFC , saved the club, alas maybe his property developing background seeing the potential swayed him knowing if the club get relegated n go tits up he could always revert to plan B .. merge move with pockets full of doe from land sales n development at the expense of the football club he ‘bought to save”..i say this as a fellow business man operating in a very difficult part of the world and in a volatile market.. theres always a plan B
Finally ..i truly hope im totally wrong and SUFC remain in the town, so much history and memories from my days at TOSG and GP ..its so sad to see what has become of this great little club.
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April 4, 2023 at 6:43 am #258849its been ok for years of success
I was under the impression we trained at Grove Wharf during the successful years? The move to the side of the motorway coincided, with the clubs implosion and tumble down the leagues?
April 4, 2023 at 6:51 am #258850The club couldn’t continue to operate as it was. There is no denying that. That said, I am astonished how well the plans have been received. I have not seen many people in the wider footballing community that think any part of this plan is a good idea.
What would you have done differently?
April 4, 2023 at 7:39 am #258852We trained on Wharton’s land and in the rat infested shed whilst we were in the Championship, but let’s not forget we had two years at the top of league one using the current facility.
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April 4, 2023 at 7:44 am #258853I was not aware training was at Grove Wharf on a regular basis
Even with the club in such a shit state all this talk about the importance of training does make me chortle.
Sub standard players, inexperienced youngsters and more worrying way too many at the club on loan who dont give a toss and zero pride wearing the shirt as means little to them other than a wage packet.
This bunch could be given the England training set up and throw in Pep Guardiola and would it make an haypeth ov difference due to level of talent they seem to have (see polishing a turd thread) ..yet now after relegation training is of such importance it needs to be moved.
opening phase of a chess game .. and im willing to bet given the option or a vote a very high percentage of Scunny fans would not want this to happen and for the club in its entirety to remain in the town and local community…
IMO over time a few months maybe a year general interest and the fan base will just dwindle to the point where the club will just be a non entity.
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April 4, 2023 at 7:49 am #258855We trained on Wharton’s land and in the rat infested shed whilst we were in the Championship, but let’s not forget we had two years at the top of league one using the current facility.
Exactly ..DH words re the current training facility being unfit for purpose hold little water when its been fine for so many years and possibly way better than many other clubs in and around the same level NL / NLN
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April 4, 2023 at 8:35 am #258856AnonymousInactiveOffline
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I was under the impression we trained at Grove Wharf during the successful years? The move to the side of the motorway coincided, with the clubs implosion and tumble down the leagues?
Didn’t ‘Uncle Steve’ even fit under soil sprinklers on one of those pitches?
My befuddled memory may betray me?April 4, 2023 at 8:37 am #258857AnonymousInactiveOffline
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Topics: 59We trained on Wharton’s land and in the rat infested shed whilst we were in the Championship, but let’s not forget we had two years at the top of league one using the current facility.
Rats as big as cats with all that grain to munch on.
April 4, 2023 at 8:48 am #258858We played in ‘The Barn’. It was an awful facility. UTWI
April 4, 2023 at 9:08 am #258859AnonymousInactiveOffline
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Topics: 59We trained on Wharton’s land and in the rat infested shed whilst we were in the Championship, but let’s not forget we had two years at the top of league one using the current facility.
Exactly ..DH words re the current training facility being unfit for purpose hold little water when its been fine for so many years and possibly way better than many other clubs in and around the same level NL / NLN
“He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.”
Benjamin Franklin.The land is worth money as a field.
It’s worth much more money with a number of fancy Dan retail outlets on it.Why would any person desire to purchase a football club 70 miles and 1 hour 20 minutes from their residence when they already own a football club whom next season will be operating just one division lower than SUFC and that is only 10 miles and 20 minutes away?
Ilkeston are just going to miss out on the play offs in their first season at that level.
Chew on this – if Ilkeston have a barnstorming season and are promoted and SUFC suffer another fate worse than a fate worse than death and are relegated again;
Ilkeston in season 2024/25 would actually be playing at a higher level than SUFC!SUFC has a big foot print, lots of land with development potential.
Older stadia were penned in by terraced housing and have no land – so, a club like Grimsby etc wouldn’t be of interest.
Could it be the land that’s the motivator not the football club.
GP is in the way; the council probably would be relieved if it was knocked down.
There’s money to be had in development / redevelopment!
Here’s a tasty ‘little’ contract:
April 4, 2023 at 9:35 am #258863A few weeks ago we were offering a great advertising opportunity in the form of stadium naming rights. I guess that’s now no longer an attractive proposition (if it ever was) and another loss of potential income. Will all the board advertisers around GP be refunded?
April 4, 2023 at 9:48 am #258866You only see the board advertiser’s on match day Cass why would they need a refund or want one.
April 4, 2023 at 10:11 am #258873Did I miss the part of the interview where Hilton said he is moving us from playing somewhere we can pull in 3,000 crowds despite 5 years of shite to somewhere where their own towns team pull in 700?
If Hilton thought he could sustain a National League or higher team at Ilkeston he wouldn’t have tried to buy Bury or SUFC.
Unless of course he is an even bigger idiot than his predecessor. Which is very hard to believe.
It would have been much cheaper to fund Ilkeston a couple of promotions than to buy our club and still have to fund a couple of promotions.
It’s a personal opinion but as a supporter I don’t give a toss where the team train. According to our last half dozen managers we have been great at training but sh1te in matches. I would like like us to become better at the bit I pay to watch. Never been to watch training in my near 60 years of watching the Iron.
For balance the thing that does concern me about Mr Hilton is that (if true) then letting people know they are losing their jobs via the media rather than face to face is an absolute disgrace.
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April 4, 2023 at 10:19 am #258875AnonymousInactiveOffline
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Topics: 59Displacement of tribes from their ancestral homelands never ends well.
Ask the Native American Indians!Can you imagine standing on the terrace for a home game chanting ‘Scunthorpe, Scunthorpe, Scunthorpe’, yet you’re in Ilkeston, Derbyshire!
April 4, 2023 at 10:35 am #258882You only see the board advertiser’s on match day Cass why would they need a refund or want one.
Training days, restaurant days, shopping days, stadium tour days. People pay for exposure.
April 4, 2023 at 11:03 am #258885I get the stadium tour thing at Wembley, Camp Nou, San Siro etc.
Glanford Park not so much.
How many other tier 6 clubs sustain either a full time restaurant or shop?
Hard though it is we need to start accepting the reality of what has been done to our football club and all of the unpleasant consequences that go with it.
Let’s try not to forget where the responsibility for the demise of the club belongs.
And it’s not David Hilton or Jimmy Dean.
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April 4, 2023 at 11:19 am #258886AnonymousInactiveOffline
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Topics: 59I get the stadium tour thing at Wembley, Camp Nou, San Siro etc.
Glanford Park not so much.
Ilkeston are big on them… ask Patrick 👍
April 4, 2023 at 11:42 am #258890Training days? There’s no shopping inside the ground for you to see the boards, The only stadium tour I had was when I was a mascot then it was limited to the west stand only, has anyone said the restaurant is closing? Being a board advertiser allows your company to put logos on all vehicles, always seeing “Bob Downie proud sponsors of Scunthorpe united” (roofing) around town so they get exposure in more ways than one, Most would leave it at status quo I am one of them but let’s not make a big deal out of it, it would appear though a stadium tour maybe 3/4 times a year might go down well numbers permitting of course and reasonably priced and food outlet to boot.
April 4, 2023 at 12:00 pm #258893It appears Mr Hilton has agreed to sit down with these guys to discuss things in the next few days , should be quite interesting.
April 4, 2023 at 12:05 pm #258894Who is going to ask for a refund because their advertising board wont be seen due to a lack of stadium tours at GP? Or training days whatever they are.
If anything the club should be charging more because we are getting nearly an extra 1,000 punters through the door on a Saturday now Swann has gone.
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April 4, 2023 at 2:03 pm #258900The alternative is
Reckon that would be. Phoenix Club, Wimbledon stylee!
April 4, 2023 at 2:03 pm #258901As long as Hilton buys the surrounding land and the rest of the assets by may 24th or whenever it is and puts forward clear plans as to a estimated time scale of when this training facility will be built then I won’t have a problem.
What I don’t want us to do is move train in Ilkeston and then for Hilton not to put plans forward and have any urgency to build a training facility locally. I hope this move to train over there is a just a stop gap and doesn’t become a permanent fixture.
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April 4, 2023 at 3:05 pm #258912AnonymousInactiveOffline
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Topics: 59It’ll be permanently temporary.
April 4, 2023 at 4:48 pm #258917It will certainly confuse opposition fans who often sing ‘You dirty Yorkshire B******s’
April 4, 2023 at 5:48 pm #258920But they’ll be spot on when they chant “Shit ground; no fans!”
April 4, 2023 at 5:58 pm #258922But they’ll be spot on when they chant “Shit ground; no fans!”
not a happy chap
April 4, 2023 at 6:23 pm #258925Mr D Hilton White Swann or whatever he’s calling himself today needs to realise we are Scunthorpe United and not or want to be Ilkeston Iron/Scunthorpe and Ilkeston Sports. The clue is in the name Scunthorpe United not Scunthorpe Divided.
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April 4, 2023 at 6:29 pm #258926And the only ones causing the division are?
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April 4, 2023 at 6:57 pm #258932At least Swann put millions in to try and get you to the promised land before taking the stadium and land hiltons telling you he’s taking the land first
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April 4, 2023 at 7:13 pm #258933Bring back Swann he wasn’t all bad (whoops he hasn’t left yet) well up untill he pissed the fans off for not fulfilling promises, this guy Hilton carrying through things he as said, I’m not having that ffs.
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