Cruella Braverman

[Siderite]

Deereyme66 wrote:

Siderite wrote:

Whatever the opinion of Israel’s response, that doesn’t address the point of how there can be a long lasting peace if Hamas keep breaking it and signal that they intend to do so.

None of our opinions are going to address that. I think millions of people worldwide are more interested in the opinions of respected aid organisations, WHO and the UN regarding alleviating a man made humanitarian crisis that worsens by the day. I appreciate your main focus is on a long lasting peace solution Siderite but I believe others are more focused on the immediate issue affecting civilians in Gaza. That’s not to imply you aren’t interested in the humanitarian crisis as you clearly are

I agree that none of us have much power. I would say the opposite is true for those calling for a ceasefire too. It holds no sway and won’t do as both sides have no will. The protesters going for this purpose (I am not speaking of the organisers and their sympathisers, but those with a good conscience) are unlikely to achieve anything, but they don’t seem to realise it. However, it’s creating a climate of hostility, as seen as the placards, attacks on Jews and ripping of kidnapped Israeli signs. All of such creates fear for Jews to even set foot in our cities and live openly. That is something we can control and is not on.

The converse is true for anti-Muslim behaviour, which is being emboldened by the Tommy Robinsons and Douglas Murrays. The article I shared mentions some of this, and we can do our bit to bear that in mind if protesting or making arguments in the media.

I understand some want to protest, because civilian casualties are never good, but my point is what is that a ceasefire is just going to cause this to happen again in all likelihood. Israel will not accept the idea they should just accept civilian casualties of theirs as some way to placate Hamas. No country would, nor would that be tenable or moral in my opinion. This could all end if Hamas surrenders, perhaps with encouragement, and hostages are released.

[Siderite]

That should say same is true

Margaret Hodge made a good and understanding talk on This week in Westminster on radio 4 today. Then they ended with talk over Nadine Dorries’ new book. Ugh.

[Iron Age]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/my-life-has-been-defined-by-genocide-of-jewish-people-i-look-on-gaza-with-concern/ar-AA1jKN5T?ocid=emmx-mmx-feeds&PC=EMMX01

[Siderite]

No loss. I wonder how they will top Patel and Braverman. Sauron, perhaps?

[Deereyme66]

Braverman reckons she’s become a horse now. Absolutely bonkers.

[bartonscorpion]

The thing is that what Miss Braverman is saying is the truth of the situation, the present PM has not done anything that the Goernment should be doing, our shores are being over run by illegal drop outs, that are costing probably over £10 million a day, his we will stop the boats is a load of government shite, our food is costing a fortune and there is no control, mortgage rates are making it impossible for our people to pay and nothing is done by the Goverment, peoples wages are making it impossible to meet the presenmt requirements to live, crime and these stupid protests support of Hamas and stop oil are causing havock, and nothing is done to stop them. Yes it is bad in Gaza, but what the hell can we do about it???, strikes by railway and Doctors have gone on endlessly, seeing a Doctor of Dentist is waiting to win the lottery, and if you need urgently to have Hospital treatment you might have to wait a year or more. She is correct in what she is dsaying, but it is the old old story, do not speak your mind, even though most Brits feelit is happening, I hope that she gets the job of party leader.

[Northumbiron]

So you think that we should put the people who created these problems in charge of the solution?

And you wonder why the country is in such a sad state!

[bartonscorpion]

Where did I say that they should stay in charge????, when I voted at the last election, Boris Johnson was in charge, and after a while he became to be rubbish, but at least he tried to solve things until he turned out to be a clown, but this present guy talks a good story, but his talk never gets any futher than his mouth, nothing ever gets actioned or put into action.

Our country is wrecked, and is no longer in control of any problem, the trouble is who ever gets to be in Government will not action anything either, there was a time when it was a respected country and good for its people to live in, but you must admit that is not the case, and can anyone think that it will ever change?????????????????

[Fifty Pence]

Boris was always a clown there was no turning out. Appearances on HIGNFY and other programmes showed exactly who he is was well before his likeable buffoon act got him into power.

[Deereyme66]

‘Our country is wrecked, and is no longer in control of any problem, the trouble is who ever gets to be in Government will not action anything either, there was a time when it was a respected country and good for its people to live in, but you must admit that is not the case, and can anyone think that it will ever change?????????????????’

Hilarious. Who’s been running the country the past 10 years? Ah, yes the very people you fawned over and helped elect, abusing and insulting anyone along the way that didn’t agree with you. Not lapping it up now are you, banging on about how great your beloved Boris is?

[Apollo11]

bartonscorpion wrote:

Our country is wrecked, and is no longer in control of any problem, the trouble is who ever gets to be in Government will not action anything either, there was a time when it was a respected country and good for its people to live in, but you must admit that is not the case, and can anyone think that it will ever change?????????????????

Of course things get actioned – in the interests of the establishment. There is absolutely no interest in making your life better. It’s a class war, fought to keep you down.

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[Deereyme66]

For ‘things not getting actioned’ read ‘stop the boats’. That’s not a generalisation, true in this case.

[Heath]

“An economic-impact assessment prepared for the government’s Illegal Migration Bill estimated that removing each individual to a third country, such as Rwanda, would cost £63,000 more than keeping them in the UK”.

I thought the current agreement was to send 100. The current cost of the policy to the taxpayer is 140 million and nobody has been sent to Rwanda.

You want Braverman to be the leader. Tel me what has she achieved as Home Secretary?

[bartonscorpion]

Another failure today with the stopping the boats, after giving Rwanda £140 million, we still have not sent one of these illegal’s anywhere. mind this sum of money is spent every two weeks keeping the dossers in nice hotels and meals etc, and it will get worse whilst stupid Rsoles are holding up welcome signs and giving parcels to them. As I said “the country is knackered” and my pity is for our young generation who have never lived in the good times of the 1960 to 2000, the poor sods will struggle threough their lives, throufg no fault of their own.

[bartonscorpion]

Heath wrote:

“An economic-impact assessment prepared for the government’s Illegal Migration Bill estimated that removing each individual to a third country, such as Rwanda, would cost £63,000 more than keeping them in the UK”.

I thought the current agreement was to send 100. The current cost of the policy to the taxpayer is 140 million and nobody has been sent to Rwanda.

You want Braverman to be the leader. Tel me what has she achieved as Home Secretary?

So are you saying that you would rather keep them here Heath???, there would be an endless number of them coming over if that would be you idea, there are millions of the lazy tossers herealready, why don’t you put a few of them in your spare rooms????

[Siderite]

bartonscorpion wrote:

Another failure today with the stopping the boats, after giving Rwanda £140 million, we still have not sent one of these illegal’s anywhere. mind this sum of money is spent every two weeks keeping the dossers in nice hotels and meals etc, and it will get worse whilst stupid Rsoles are holding up welcome signs and giving parcels to them. As I said “the country is knackered” and my pity is for our young generation who have never lived in the good times of the 1960 to 2000, the poor sods will struggle threough their lives, throufg no fault of their own.

The failure was wasting time with this gimmick of a policy that solved nothing except more wastage of money. It was not workable and immoral. The court spelled it out today that it cannot be sanctioned, not just because of human rights laws, but because of several international treaties. It would have been a dangerous precedent.

[Deereyme66]

‘The good times of 1960-2000’. Hahaha! Yes,the late 70s to late 80s was an absolute golden period. Who was in charge during that time of economic and social misery? Too many people expecting the government to pander to their prejudices (that they foster) without checking how much it’s all going to cost, then complaining it’s not working. What a joke.

[Siderite]

The good times always seem to coincide with the exact time the person was in their prime or youth. Older people bemoaning that times have changed for the worse is a tale as old as time.

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bartonscorpion, Northumbiron

[Heath]

“So are you saying that you would rather keep them here Heath???, there would be an endless number of them coming over if that would be you idea, there are millions of the lazy tossers herealready”.

No, this Government has wasted millions and years on a failed, cruel policy. I told you months ago that the answer was to process the claims quickly as we have for decades before this useless Government came to power. That’s why the hotels are full.

And as for them being lazy tossers, not my experience of immigrants to this country. Easy for you to say because we all know the reason why you say it.

[Iron-awe]

If all this wasted money had been invested in getting more staff to process these people in a faster responsible way then decisions to allow people to stay or go back would have been made. It’s not even a major problem anyway compared to overall allowed immigration which is way too high. Mind you it’s a nice headline grabber blaming people seeking refuge for the majority of the countries problems which the current government is incapable of solving.

[Iron-awe]

Sorry Heathy, typing up while you were posting, we covered similar ground.

[Apollo11]

Siderite wrote:

The good times always seem to coincide with the exact time the person was in their prime or youth. Older people bemoaning that times have changed for the worse is a tale as old as time.

Things have changed for the worst. It was shit then and it’s shitter now.

[Apollo11]

Iron-awe wrote:

It’s not even a major problem anyway…

The actual biggest problem this country has is the subservience of the working class. Gaslit for generations by the establishment – whipping up whatever hate it takes to keep the scum in their place.

[Fifty Pence]

The idea that migrants are lazy is just complete nonsense. The people who have been forced out of their country if origin, or left of their own accord, and travelled vast distances with faint hopes of a better life here are not the definition of lazy. Many refugees would be an asset to this country, if they were given the chance to work. There is an issue with immigration, but it’s not the people, it’s the lack of an efficient and fair system of immigration. I can move and work in pretty much any country I want, it’s my choice (partly due to have the requisite to pass point systems, but mainly because of the nationality on my passport). Why shouldn’t others at least be able to have a legal path available to do the same ?

[Deereyme66]

‘Elements of racism’ in Bartonscorpion’s post? Agreed and deleted reporter. He couldn’t even get their names right either.

[Siderite]

I won’t be happy until parliament is staffed by proper English names luke Aethelred, Hereward and Aedgar.

[Heath]

“‘Elements of racism’ in Bartonscorpion’s post? Agreed and deleted reporter. He couldn’t even get their names right either”.

Not a complaint against you and the forum, though I would rather see the post as it will confirm the real reason behind the rants of BS.

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bartonscorpion

[Siderite]

I saw it. He was making a post highlighting the names of British Asian Labour MPs who voted for the SNP bill yesterday and how they’re not ‘true British’ names.

[Heath]

Oh dear. Might be worth him getting a DNA test to trace his bloodline and then let us know whether he is a 100% “true Brit”.

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bartonscorpion

[bartonscorpion]

Fifty Pence wrote:

The idea that migrants are lazy is just complete nonsense. The people who have been forced out of their country if origin, or left of their own accord, and travelled vast distances with faint hopes of a better life here are not the definition of lazy. Many refugees would be an asset to this country, if they were given the chance to work. There is an issue with immigration, but it’s not the people, it’s the lack of an efficient and fair system of immigration. I can move and work in pretty much any country I want, it’s my choice (partly due to have the requisite to pass point systems, but mainly because of the nationality on my passport). Why shouldn’t others at least be able to have a legal path available to do the same ?

When you say that you have your passport and are free to work in other countries, yes I agree as I worked in about 20 different countries for over 35 years, but I needed all the required documents that made it legal, like a work visa, passport, a letter from the company I was goung to work for, and in many cases a medical which made it all legal. That is a big difference to paying crooks to sneak me into another country for the purpose of having the country to feed you and provide accomodation which these dossers are getting at over £10 million per day, whilst a lot of our own people are finding it very difficult to just survive.,

With your idea of free movement, there would be millions per year flocking here to use our system instead of the present 450,000. The British system needs a vast change, but this is not possible because of the small percentage of do goodersthat will react and at the same time not many of the majority of British people do not speak out because they are attacked as being racists.

It is high time that either Nigel or Miss Braverman took the countries leadership and stopped all thgis free loading and stupid prtest marches, and saved you tax payers billions per year, and diverted this money into hospitals, schools and doctors etc and looked after our own people, I bet there are many of our Forum readers saying “he is bloody right” but dare not say anything knowing that they would get slagged off ha ha!!!

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