April 26, 2020 at 1:39 pm #176089
this is a genuine BBC headline .. impartial?April 26, 2020 at 1:56 pm #176091
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The only positive I can see is that it frees up another hospital bed.April 26, 2020 at 2:11 pm #176097
You do not mention that the boost for the country is the quoted opinion from his deputy, not a statement made by a BBC journalist.April 26, 2020 at 2:12 pm #176098
The only positive I can see is that it frees up another hospital bed.
To be fair, he’s not as terrible as Raab.April 26, 2020 at 2:17 pm #176100
it’s the headline . the 1st thing you see, ,that’s why it’s the headline, it doesn’t say ” Tory Says” it’ just states it as fact . It’s clear ,you have to read the story to know it’s a quote.
By that time it’s already in your mind, ,April 26, 2020 at 2:17 pm #176101
Not really, they have it quotation marks!April 26, 2020 at 2:21 pm #176104
apostrophes actually . you know why it’s written like that. Pretend they said ‘Corbyn a boost to the country’ you wouldn’t be such an apologist thenApril 26, 2020 at 2:52 pm #176110
Well, yes, but they were clearly doing it to summarise a quote from someone else, his deputy in this case. I have seen the BBC do it all the time from a range of stories for a myriad of people across the political spectrum. This really is a non-story, driven by a need to demonise the BBC.
Here’s The Guardian reporting on the leaked dossier: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/12/hostility-to-corbyn-curbed-labour-efforts-to-tackle-antisemitism-says-leaked-report
They too use apostrophes for a summary of the story from one side. Yet I never got angry about this headline, because I wasn’t so daft or manipulative of the truth to think that this was the Guardian’s published view. I knew they were using a summary of the arguments made by those involved for the headline, not pushing their own position.April 26, 2020 at 4:53 pm #176123
it says “says leaked report in the headline ” the BBC headline only had the quote in big letters .Nothing about who said it To quote the ew phrase “apples and Oranges”April 26, 2020 at 5:01 pm #176124
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Are you STILL trying to peddle the idea that the BBC is pro-Tory?
After the way Kuensberg and others have spoken to, questioned and reported on Boris and other ministers?
After the Tories are looking at ways to curb them over their Brexit reporting?
You really are one deluded man, aren’t you?
Now answer my question
1 user thanked author for this post.April 26, 2020 at 5:15 pm #176128
IT is pro Governement,has been since Blair threatened the licence fee.April 26, 2020 at 5:16 pm #176129
that’s just abuse Alcy, I could respond likewise but hen you’d cry about admins abusing people ,so Please edit.April 26, 2020 at 5:27 pm #176133
it says “says leaked report in the headline ” the BBC headline only had the quote in big letters .Nothing about who said it To quote the ew phrase “apples and Oranges”
The point I was making, which should not be this difficult to understand, is that the headline includes a quoted summary from the point of view of those who made the report, and does not reflect the Guardian’s stance. I included it to show the ridiculousness of your earlier post which suggests that the BBC is being biased by doing something similar here.
If I was being as wilfully dense as you I’d say that the Guardian is displaying bias in this headline.April 26, 2020 at 5:46 pm #176135
Tne Guardian made it clear in the headline by saying where it came from ,the BBC just praised Boris in it’s headline ,we’re talking about the headline, nothing else. They do it all the time.April 26, 2020 at 5:49 pm #176137
Big headline fonts have an effect ,it’s why they use them,April 26, 2020 at 6:06 pm #176143
Tne Guardian made it clear in the headline by saying where it came from ,the BBC just praised Boris in it’s headline ,we’re talking about the headline, nothing else. They do it all the time.
True, but the BBC assumes that the public aren’t so idiotic as to think that part of a sentence within apostrophes represents its actual view.April 26, 2020 at 6:08 pm #176146
just because a certain poster isn’t here for now,no need to start patronising,it’s his jobApril 26, 2020 at 6:30 pm #176149
I am incredulous because it’s a ridiculous interpretation, and one I believe to be driven in attempt to undermine the BBC.April 26, 2020 at 6:35 pm #176151
It’s what it says when you glance across it, in big letters. .You know full well the headline is the story for most idiots. It’s why rich people buy newspapers and employ headline writers so we get the message they want us to see,April 26, 2020 at 6:39 pm #176155
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He is only coming back part time, so no change then!!April 26, 2020 at 6:44 pm #176156
It’s what it says when you glance across it, in big letters. .You know full well the headline is the story for most idiots. It’s why rich people buy newspapers and employ headline writers so we get the message they want us to see,
Even idiots understand the purpose of words within apostrophes and realise that this isn’t the BBC view. It even says that this is the view of the deputy underneath the headline, visible on the front page.April 26, 2020 at 8:13 pm #176162
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the BBC assumes that the public aren’t so idiotic as to think that part of a sentence within apostrophes represents its actual view.
I’m sorry but the greater public are that idiotic.
It works the same way with newspaper headlines.
Some are even too lazy to read further. It’s all they need to form an opinion.
1 user thanked author for this post.April 26, 2020 at 8:41 pm #176164
I still think that most would realise that it’s not the BBC opinion. The number of people who don’t understand the purpose of inverted commas must be small, and I am not sure how responsible the BBC should be for the very few who may think otherwise.
There will be people nodding their head at the headline, because they agree with the sentiment expressed, but they won’t necessarily think this is what the BBC must think. The sort of person who would think this tend to think of the BBC as a left wing, pro-EU biased site, like alcazar does.April 26, 2020 at 10:17 pm #176176
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Because thats what it is?
Or maybe 99% doesn’t understand quote marks?
Oh, sorry that might be abuse too.April 27, 2020 at 2:18 am #176182
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To be pedantic, they are single quotes not apostrophes. And as someone who’s written thousands of headlines, I can tell you it’s common practice to use single quotes in headlines instead of the usual double quotes. Indeed both the BBC and The Guardian style guides specify that quotes in headlines should have single quotes. It’s so standard that most of us read it that way without actually thinking about it.
Having said all that, it does create a positive impression about him returning to work. If that’s not the impression they wanted to create, then maybe they should have used a different headline.April 27, 2020 at 8:54 am #176183
I think that’s probably a fair assessment. My gripe isn’t the quality of the headline, but that they are being impartial through intent.
As you say, the use of single quotes is so commonplace that I can’t believe that people could seriously think this represents a BBC view. Just a quick google shows a similar instance: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43463496. This is not the BBC saying that his hat was Russian.
There are plenty of things to criticise the BBC for, and the media, but things like this and the outrage over the effects caused to Corbyn’s hat from appearing on a curved screen and image enlargement only make the critic look ridiculous.
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