Club accounts.

[Awaywego]

Did you expect to Sodiron? it’s being the model forever and a day.

Sustainability isn’t a reality in football.

[Apollo11]

Awaywego wrote:

Sustainability isn’t a reality in football.

You may be right – but if a Club is thinking and working in that direction that’s got to be much better than if it’s operating carelessly or owners are being wilfully extravagant.

[Awaywego]

No.
Rather see Hiltons extravagant spending on the team. (Would seem not bad in the end anyway seeing we only lost £250,000)
Now what is extravagant is employing a CEO, a Catering manager, stadium manager all tuther office staff, and a restaurant, all very well and good for a team in the EFL but national league north I don’t think so.
All beyond our control either direction.

[ironfromafar]

Awaywego wrote:

No.
Rather see Hiltons extravagant spending on the team. (Would seem not bad in the end anyway seeing we only lost £250,000)
Now what is extravagant is employing a CEO, a Catering manager, stadium manager all tuther office staff, and a restaurant, all very well and good for a team in the EFL but national league north I don’t think so.
All beyond our control either direction.

Im not commenting re Hiltons era as its all to grey but i must agree AWG ..that SUFC is over staffed in some areas mentioned bearing in mind we are in the NLN ..

[Awaywego]

Not many others are commenting either but I’ll take grey.

[Apollo11]

SUFC is over staffed in some areas mentioned bearing in mind we are in the NLN ..

We don’t know the actual duties and workload, do we – so how can you say that with certainty? Wasn’t it previously mentioned that James Moody was, effectively, doing the jobs of two or three people during the Hilton era? That’s not sustainable in itself – nothing would be given the time it demands or be done with the expertise it requires.

[Harrytheiron]

Size of operation is a factor. The club is averaging attendances over 4,000, majority home fans, which is a lot more than in the later EFL days. A number of staff part time too.

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Harrytheiron wrote:

Size of operation is a factor. The club is averaging attendances over 4,000, majority home fans, which is a lot more than in the later EFL days. A number of staff part time too.

… plus some volunteering.

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[ironfromafar]

Apollo11 wrote:

SUFC is over staffed in some areas mentioned bearing in mind we are in the NLN ..

We don’t know the actual duties and workload, do we – so how can you say that with certainty? Wasn’t it previously mentioned that James Moody was, effectively, doing the jobs of two or three people during the Hilton era? That’s not sustainable in itself – nothing would be given the time it demands or be done with the expertise it requires.

Obviously cant say it for absolute certainty sure .. more so its IMO its over staffed in some areas for a NL club.

Yes Off loaded LT and running with a small squad (well balanced with cover so kudos there) but always seems to be money for non playing staff inc the new CEO who as yet has been pretty nondescript.

[Harrytheiron]

The club is fortunate Butler has managed the squad so well in terms of fitness. He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for this. Don’t have the stats but I would imagine this is the least players we’ve used in a whole season since the 90s.

[Apollo11]

ironfromafar wrote:

Apollo11 wrote:

SUFC is over staffed in some areas mentioned bearing in mind we are in the NLN ..

We don’t know the actual duties and workload, do we – so how can you say that with certainty? Wasn’t it previously mentioned that James Moody was, effectively, doing the jobs of two or three people during the Hilton era? That’s not sustainable in itself – nothing would be given the time it demands or be done with the expertise it requires.

Obviously cant say it for absolute certainty sure .. more so its IMO its over staffed in some areas for a NL club.

Yes Off loaded LT and running with a small squad (well balanced with cover so kudos there) but always seems to be money for non playing staff inc the new CEO who as yet has been pretty nondescript.

I’m not arguing the merits or otherwise of Roberts himself – but there was a point at which Michelle made it clear she could not continue working the hours she was working, nor on the sheer volume of tasks, micro-tasks, decisions, considerations and outreach ‘on her desk’.

[ironfromafar]

Harrytheiron wrote:

The club is fortunate Butler has managed the squad so well in terms of fitness. He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for this. Don’t have the stats but I would imagine this is the least players we’ve used in a whole season since the 90s.

yes agree Harry .. credit there and also the way hes managed to keep all positions covered even while some players are out on loan ..cant knock B or his staff on that score.

IF ONLY ….. we had not had that run of dire form/performances playing so negatively 5 at the back we may possibly be home n dry by now .. most teams have rough spells including Kiddy and Brackley for that matter.

[sufc_not_on_tour]

9 full time staff on the non playing side at the club, the vast majority of them doing more than one task, all of them work incredibly hard and it’s unacceptable that some on here choose to question their commitment or the standard of their work.
Michelle Harness who has been working morning till night up to 7 days a week for over a year to ensure there’s a club for the town to support ably backed by those 9 staff, I’m baffled as to why some on here choose to question it.

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sufc_not_on_tour wrote:

9 full time staff on the non playing side at the club, the vast majority of them doing more than one task, all of them work incredibly hard and it’s unacceptable that some on here choose to question their commitment or the standard of their work.
Michelle Harness who has been working morning till night up to 7 days a week for over a year to ensure there’s a club for the town to support ably backed by those 9 staff, I’m baffled as to why some on here choose to question it.

Lack of awareness of the nitty gritty (what it takes day by day, role by role, task by task) to keep the Club rolling?

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This is like reading a Reform Manifesto

[Deereyme66]

Club bashing regarding non playing staff is by very easy to do, like complaining ‘what is it they actually do?’ in accusatory overtones, whilst not really wanting to know what they actually do. Same, rightly or wrongly, with Council bashing, despite them battling with year on year cuts for the last 15 years. Some people are just more adept at this bashing malarkey. Alcazar was a prime example on here. In fairness to AWG, it’s not all club bashing from him, particularly when Peter and Dave ruled the roost.

[Awaywego]

That’s cos Peter never tried to be sustainable at all costs, and Dave was prepared to cut costs and staff but came up with a wall of resistance at every turn.
Not saying everything he wanted was right but some of it was or could have been.

[Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg]

Kieran Maguire has looked into many account recently and they really are eye watering, it’s progressed since even we were throwing money during the Swann era; Stockport lost 7million with home crowds os 9,300 to achieve promotion from league 2. I know Carlisle have the second highest budget in league 2 and have spent a fortune only backed by American owners to be staring relegation in the face.

It’s great in theory the model we are working towards, but I suspect we will hit the ceiling pretty quickly.

[Apollo11]

It’s great in theory the model we are working towards, but I suspect we will hit the ceiling pretty quickly.

As I’ve said elsewhere in the past, as supporters we almost certainly have to face the fact that we’re operating at (or about at) the right level for a club of our size and means. Even then it’s a continuing financial struggle, though much of our issue is legacy debt and black holes in the accounts.

[TheJuryeffsOut]

Does the club 1899 money come into this ? SUFC are effectively losing season ticket money and profit on club shop items to repay those who bought into that (was going to phrase that very differently but don’t want to cause work for the moderators).

[Apollo11]

TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

Does the club 1899 money come into this ? SUFC are effectively losing season ticket money and profit on club shop items to repay those who bought into that (was going to phrase that very differently but don’t want to cause work for the moderators).

Did you rephrase because you’d originally had a go at those who naively bought into the scheme, or at the person who cynically implemented it? Know your enemy.

[TheJuryeffsOut]

Most definitely at the person who cynically implemented it.
I personally know victims of said person.

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[Siderite]

Awaywego wrote:

No.
Rather see Hiltons extravagant spending on the team. (Would seem not bad in the end anyway seeing we only lost £250,000)
Now what is extravagant is employing a CEO, a Catering manager, stadium manager all tuther office staff, and a restaurant, all very well and good for a team in the EFL but national league north I don’t think so.
All beyond our control either direction.

I don’t think “we only have £250,000 of irretrievable debt to someone who never had any intention of paying it back” truly washes.

[Apollo11]

Siderite wrote:

Awaywego wrote:

No.
Rather see Hiltons extravagant spending on the team. (Would seem not bad in the end anyway seeing we only lost £250,000)
Now what is extravagant is employing a CEO, a Catering manager, stadium manager all tuther office staff, and a restaurant, all very well and good for a team in the EFL but national league north I don’t think so.
All beyond our control either direction.

I don’t think “we only have £250,000 of irretrievable debt to someone who never had any intention of paying it back” truly washes.

Like a turkey paying homage to the slaughterman

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[Harrytheiron]

See Francis Austin has been lured out of Twitter retirement today.

https://x.com/francisaus12313/status/1907008962140024905?s=46

[Siderite]

Best off ignored.

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[ironfromafar]

HR Sounds
32 mins in bit about SUFC accounts .. would be nice if the 250k “bad debt” could be explained

Sorry about the long link ..pulled it off FB

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[Apollo11]

Best off ignored.

Best off imprisoned?

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[Deereyme66]

Harrytheiron wrote:

See Francis Austin has been lured out of Twitter retirement today.

https://x.com/francisaus12313/status/1907008962140024905?s=46

Ha ha! Only a day later than anticipated. But if the day fits…

Strangely reminiscent of a previous tirade against Kieran, around the middle of 2023. ‘I used to like you mate, used to respect you, now you’re just like the rest of them. I smoke out vermin me…’ blah blah blah, BS, BS, BS…ad infinitum.

[Apollo11]

Ha ha! Only a day later than anticipated. But if the day fits…

Strangely reminiscent of a previous tirade against Kieran, around the middle of 2023. ‘I used to like you mate, used to respect you, now you’re just like the rest of them. I smoke out vermin me…’ blah blah blah, BS, BS, BS…ad infinitum.

Is ‘out vermin’ a type of crack?

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