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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    Will you ‘chuck it in’ if Jimbob is steering the SS Titanica (Scunthorpe Ship) next season?

    I’ll be done with it if he’s still at the club.

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    cliffbyrnesrightpegCliff Byrne’s Right Peg
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    #284834
    mistertonmickmistertonmick
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    We got over 80 points and won more games than we have done for years so if you want to see the club close you keep away, I have missed a number of games this season but it will not stop me going, a few months ago I would have been pleased we have a team, so after all the upheaval we are playing on our own ground still managed to finish the season in second place and apart from the result in which we lost in the penalty lottery I think it has been an enjoyable season, if everyone has your attitude Rene we may as well give up, who says we would do any better with a new manager, but if you want to leave and watch your favourite Premier League team it is up to you, but it is a new era now with owners who love the club and clearing the debt is priority to getting promoted and remember a number of our players are only this standard, get behind Michelle and the rest

    #284835
    SODIronSODIron
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    “Will I chuck it in if Jimmy Dean is the manager next season?” – no, because I am a ‘ride or die’ supporter. Do I feel he is not the man to take us forward? Lets put it this way; he had two attempts at gaining promotion this season; the first was to win the league. He failed on that one. The second was to win the play-offs. He failed on that one too.

    I honestly feel that just about any other football manager would have won the league with the squad we had at our disposal. He may be passionate about the club, but he is not the man for the job.

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    #284840
    TheJuryeffsOutTheJuryeffsOut
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    No, whatever happens with the manager, whether I agree or not, I’ll be going and supporting.
    I support Michelle Harness for having the courage and strength to take the club on and save it for us and future generations, so whatever she decides is good enough for me.

    #284843
    mkironMK Iron
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    Of course not. I would not renew the coaching staff’s contract but that’s just an opinion.

    Will still be there at home. Probably won’t do the dozen or so away games next year if Jimmy is still here and still hasn’t worked out how to play away.

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    #284849
    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    I will be buying a season ticket next season, the first time since lockdown simply because of Michelle and her new board saving the club and hopefully to keep pushing forward. I have still regularly attended home games since 2020 ( think I missed four this season just gone ) but I haven’t been away since lockdown, I’m getting too old and cranky for all those balls aching bus trips particularly coming home after a thumping defeat, plus I have had enough of listening
    to people talking bollocks about the game I love whilst stuck on a coach on the way home.

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    IronaweIronawe
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    I had a season ticket and have to travel to each home game, I dragged the children along and it’ll be a struggle next season so will most likely choose the games and make a day of it in the restaurant or something. The number of times I do this would be impacted on a number of things but Dean being here would certainly be a factor.

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    RoamingBullRoamingBull
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    I will see how they get on.
    I’m fortunate with that work keeps me away so I pick and choose.
    I support the club/Michelle but I won’t be watching that crap that was served up at the weekend by poor skills mindset.

    #284861
    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    An extreme stance Rene. Should Dean still be in charge I hope you reconsider and attend in spite of him and for the ģreater good, which is supporting the club finally under good ownership. If I didn’t live so far away I can honestly say I’d be purchasing a season ticket. Not point scoring here, I just know I would as gratitude to everyone who’s helped save the club, if nothing else.

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    #284866
    RoamingBullRoamingBull
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    It is a hard stance from Rene but everyone has their own thoughts.

    But we go to get entertained!
    Didn’t hear many folk stating that what was served on Saturday as entertainment.
    Just like a restaurant serves up poor food do you still go?

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    #284867
    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    Somehow I was under the impression that Rene doesn’t go to games to be bothered about it.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    It is a hard stance from Rene but everyone has their own thoughts.

    But we go to get entertained!
    Didn’t hear many folk stating that what was served on Saturday as entertainment.
    Just like a restaurant serves up poor food do you still go?

    Oh aye. Anyone that chose not to go has to be respected. Not suggesting otherwise. I don’t view it like going to a restaurant though. I’d have stopped going altogether around ’80 had that been the case.

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    #284870
    cokeovenkidcokeovenkid
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    Next season I don’t think he will have a team as capable of carrying him so it’s going to be interesting if he’s still here.

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    We can’t just give up because of a poor manager surely? I fear we’ll struggle with Jimmy and a reduced budget, but the club will hopefully outlast him. If he is to continue, it would surely have to be a rolling contract. The fans won’t accept deterioration and more excuses.

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    #284878
    RoamingBullRoamingBull
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    Saturday was so disappointing in that the team or tactics was so disjointed it was so blatant for even the casual supporter.
    I honestly counted a few times to see if we had 11 on the pitch.
    We looked completely clueless and non directional.
    Surely a season or so with the same manager that should not happen.

    I want to spend my money and support Michelle.
    But entertainment is the game.

    Saturday was totally how to not introduce your casual supporter to continue coming
    It was miles off target

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    Absolutely not. I’ll support the club, the board and JD if he’s still here.

    What a ridiculous stance you have after everything the club and the fans have been through this season.

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    RoamingBullRoamingBull
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    MY stance is exactly that!

    Same with Rene it’s His stance.
    And everyone else’s stance.

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    Let’s say the truth. This year the team had problems at the beginning of the season.
    It is enough to conclude that this may be the reason that the team’s form was not very good during that period.
    Therefore, if given a chance next season It’s reasonable enough.
    But from the need to reduce the wage budget for players.
    I think this might make Jim’s job even more difficult.
    From the Boston’s match if we judge honestly, it must be said that Jim did not do well enough.
    Shows that in important matches he doesn’t have a good plan yet.
    And if it’s still like this next year? Must hope for the team to win the champion. To avoid deciding in a single match like this.
    Which must be achieved at least 95 points if looking at the last two seasons. Which is definitely not easy for Jim.

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    ironfromafarironfromafar
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    We can’t just give up because of a poor manager surely? I fear we’ll struggle with Jimmy and a reduced budget, but the club will hopefully outlast him. If he is to continue, it would surely have to be a rolling contract. The fans won’t accept deterioration and more excuses.

    As mentioned previously IMO JD will be Scunny manager at least for the start and first quarter .. therefore any contract should be on a rolling monthly basis alas what sort of confidence message would this instill in the whole group…. save a few quid by being better inn the loan market and contracts of employed players at all cost avoid the injury prone and agents …oh also binning Plummer n Muzzy would be my first job.

    As a footnote after reading the Athletic article it sheds more light on the why the damaging drop in form post New Year that cost us any chance of the title.

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    Deereyme66Deereyme66
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    Can’t be having a manager on a rolling monthly basis full stop. Madness.

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    #284906
    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    If you stick with him and go in to the season with a smaller and weaker squad due to the budget – if you are mid table after a couple of months… then what are you going to do?

    a) stick with him to the end of the season… “he’s a nice guy”

    b) sack him.

    Changing managers in a season ain’t the best of practices. A rushed, limited choice appointment would most likely be made.

    The new chap would take time to assess and to get to know the players and as we’ve seen so many times in the past, would want his own players bringing in.

    Better to have the disruption now and give the new chap a chance to select & shape his team in pre-season.

    Jimbob has had the opportunity to show us what he’s about.
    a)One up front
    b)players deployed out of position and unbalanced
    c) lack of cohesion and continuity
    d) too much chopping & changing
    e) what’s his best 11, I don’t think he knows.
    f) awful substitutions which are ill timed and ill thought out
    g) poor tactically with no plan b and unable to muster and redirect his troops in the heat of battle.
    h) favourites / unfavored
    i) terrified of losing to the extent that we struggle to win games against village / community / works teams.
    j) doesn’t want to entertain us with bubblegum football [ lol ]
    k) will not entertain a bog standard 4-4-2 as he thinks it isn’t hip / cool / groovy / trendy and he wants to be thought of as a forward thinking modern coach.
    l) what level coaching badge does he posses? UEFA A, UEFA B, L2?
    m) he possibly got the job as he may have been known to WHAM previously?

    So, stick or twist?

    He’s not my cup of tea, never has been and never will be.

    If they decide to keep him, then time holds the answer.

    The £100,000 promotion bonuses – I always wondered… ‘is it cheaper to remain in this league than be promoted’.

    If we’re 12 points clear by Christmas- then this seasons directive may have been to “do well, but not too well”
    Keep them happy, keep them hoping, keep them paying!

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    If you have any doubt that a manager or coach will not last a season then you shouldn’t be offering them a contract at all.

    What does a monthly or even a three monthly contract say to a manager and to the players he is trying to recruit?

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    #284911
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    Not been to a home game since we were in the league, (go away) Covid came, then discovered local football and having a beer watching some decent part timers. Which is more entertaining sometimes.

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    If you have any doubt that a manager or coach will not last a season then you shouldn’t be offering them a contract at all.

    What does a monthly or even a three monthly contract say to a manager and to the players he is trying to recruit?

    Good point. Which I guess is why I would not offer a contract at all, because I fear it could come back to bite if we get more of the sub-par performances we have seen since Jimmyball got found out and he couldn’t counter-act. That said, I am not the board and this is just my opinion. If we have Jimmy, we will have to back him and the board, but I can’t help but worry it would be another guaranteed wasted season.

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    #284919
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    Agree with Mister Misterton and others.

    Lots of stats from the maths teacher elsewhere, and the speculative, subjective list of ‘if this, if that’ (above) brings to mind lists of Brexit bollox. OK, Dean’s not your pint of shandy, but here are more important numbers:

    Finished second and scored 84 – best in the league. Goal difference – 46 best in the league. Went out on a playoff penalty.

    Fans have such short memories, but just think back. At the start of the season when the club’s very survival was in doubt, would anyone on here have thought those numbers unacceptable? Would anyone on here possessed of their faculties have thought they would be grounds for managerial renewal?

    We might be in the same business as Barcelona, but that’s about all. It’s NLN, and after a season of uncertainty and near-death, finishing a creditable second should not grounds for managerial renewal and yet more upheaval with yet another untried wannabee. Chuck it in? Get real! (not Madrid)

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    TheJuryeffsOutTheJuryeffsOut
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    All good points Rene, which I agree on. Point m) is worrying but we’ll never know.
    But I wouldn’t chuck it in mate if the board decide otherwise.
    I think your final paragraphs suggests the club didn’t want to go up to avoid the £100k bonus cost ?
    If that is the case, JD is worth keeping as he managed that down to one last kick which was probably harder to do than winning.

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    SideriteSiderite
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    Aye, and we also had the biggest budget, with some players coming from higher up and one of the few full time squads at this level. We lost out on the title and in the playoffs, and also struggled against the better teams throughout. Now, as Dean couldn’t do this on a high budget, what’s the likelihood he can on a lower? A new manager will always be uncertain for success, but when you don’t think the current one is likely to succeed at all, there will always be those who think maybe a change is in order. Especially as now is the opportune moment for it, since with a new contract it will be harder to dispense of him if we struggle next season and crowds fully turn.

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    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    Well you normally reap what you sow, Hilton did with the squad and bonuses and the football was going quite well, and maybe someone brought the crop in to early, xmas in our case.

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    …now is the opportune moment for it, since with a new contract it will be harder to dispense of him if we struggle next season and crowds fully turn.

    It would also be costly, and it may be this that swings it really.

    Note: However, I actually expect the Board to stand by him for reasons I described elsewhere.

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