Butler the new Dean?

[Iron414]

Deereyme66 wrote:

A post on X yesterday below:

‘Surely any manager worth their salt has their own ideas and playing model? The simplistic approach of just copying the last team to win the league says it all. He doesn’t sound that bright in interviews either. We’ve got a simpleton in charge, should have stuck with Dean.’

Total unnecessary disrespect. And rubbish – Like Dean was some super intelligent guy?!
Just get over it with some grace and dignity.

If being referred to as a ‘simpleton’ with no profanity or expletives is the worst of the criticism Butler’s had I’d say it’s fairly mild. I’ve seen far worse directed towards managers (and players for that matter) of other clubs and the language has been a lot less polite.

Jimmy wasn’t that intelligent either, anyone remember his rock & hard ‘stone’ reference? That made me chuckle but he did have us playing better football, whilst returning the same points as Butler. This time last year we were regularly putting 5 and 6 goals past teams better than Rushall. Dean had more depth to the squad (not that he used it as he rarely changed his 11) but he also had major off field issues to contend with which Butler doesn’t have. So on balance similar starts but Dean edges it on entertainment value.

[Deereyme66]

‘I’ve seen far worse directed towards managers (and players for that matter) of other clubs and the language has been a lot less polite.’

Does that make it okay? Below the belt if you ask me and not even true. As if he’s a ‘simpleton’.

You also neglect to say Butler doesn’t have your non league Messi to field, which would probably elevate his team’s entertainment levels to Pep style levels.

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[Iron414]

I didn’t neglect to mention him but as it seems it was Butler’s choice to let him go, it’s largely irrelevant when comparing how he’s faring as a manager vs Dean. Ogle perhaps as him leaving was unavoidable, Elliot Dean didn’t play anyway. For someone who has such distain for unfair criticism you seem to enjoy having a sarcastic dig about Butterfield at any available opportunity?

Of course it’s not ok. I’m merely suggesting that there’s a lot worse on X and if someone calling someone else ‘simple’ upsets you then you probably fall into the ‘easily offended’ category and X might not be the best place for you.

Speaking of easily offended what on earth was Butler doing launching himself towards the naysayers on Saturday and having to be dragged back by players? What kind of an example is that setting? Really poor.

[Deereyme66]

Regarding Butterfield, I’m merely making a sarcastic comment about you making such a big deal about the club releasing him like it was Armageddon. Hardly ‘any available opportunity’. Neither am I ‘easily offended’. Though you’re probably right, X isn’t my cup of tea. Too many people slagging each other off in there and bandying insults around. Still, worth a look in occasionally to see what people are saying cheaply.

Regarding Butler ‘launching himself towards the naysayers’. An over-reaction to abuse I’d call it. But then, I’ve never had it in for him from day one and don’t seek any opportunity to undermine him and what he’s trying to achieve for the club.

[Sanfran49]

Butterfield was released because the wages offered were not enough.

The reasons for the low offer were obvious – we needed to save money.

[Awaywego]

No the low offers were that Butler saw a threat of him still being here, and there’s nothing wrong in that imo. Knill did the same with Cliffy.

[Deereyme66]

Evidence?

[Iron-awe]

Iron414 wrote:

Deereyme66 wrote:

A post on X yesterday below:

‘Surely any manager worth their salt has their own ideas and playing model? The simplistic approach of just copying the last team to win the league says it all. He doesn’t sound that bright in interviews either. We’ve got a simpleton in charge, should have stuck with Dean.’

Total unnecessary disrespect. And rubbish – Like Dean was some super intelligent guy?!
Just get over it with some grace and dignity.

Jimmy wasn’t that intelligent either, anyone remember his rock & hard ‘stone’ reference? That made me chuckle but he did have us playing better football, whilst returning the same points as Butler.

Think you will find Jimmy didn’t return any points from trips to Brackley, Curzon, South Shields and Chester last season, just saying

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Awaywego wrote:

No the low offers were that Butler saw a threat of him still being here, and there’s nothing wrong in that imo. Knill did the same with Cliffy.

I guess the Foxhills mushroom harvest was good this year

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[Ferrite]

Are we still litigating this? Jimmy Dean, that outstanding manager who built on his successful time at SUFC to take a job in a higher league? That Jimmy Dean?

[BigLeftToe]

After 12 games last season under Dean we had 20 points. This season under Butler we have 25 whilst only conceding a whopping total of 5 goals.

I know which start I’d rather have!

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[Sanfran49]

Ferrite wrote:

Are we still litigating this? Jimmy Dean, that outstanding manager who built on his successful time at SUFC to take a job in a higher league? That Jimmy Dean?

No. In a previous interview I think with Humberside she said everything was dealt with.

[Rene Artois]

What excuses will be offered today?

[Iron414]

BigLeftToe wrote:

After 12 games last season under Dean we had 20 points. This season under Butler we have 25 whilst only conceding a whopping total of 5 goals.

I know which start I’d rather have!

Your maths is wrong, that should’ve been 21 v 25 BLT, and after yesterday’s result 24 v 25. So we are one point better off than last season, similar starts but we were putting in some belting performances this time last year, bagging 5 and 6 goals, far more entertaining to watch, despite looking down the barrel of a gun with our ownership and ground issues.

The big difference though, is that last season our results were fairly scattered i.e we would win a couple then lose one, draw one, win a few again and so on…

This season we’ve had a very strong start (results wise) and have fallen off a cliff with only 2 wins in the last nine and those came from; Newcastle town, two divisions below us, and Rushall Olympic, the worst team I’ve seen in this league both this season and last. Also our strong start arguably flattered to deceive. Did we really deserve the three points against Curzon or Needham? Even shields? We were lucky to nick a point against Chorley. How many games this year has the consensus been ‘poor performance but take the point/s’?

I know which start I’d rather have and it’s not one in which we’ve been ‘sussed’ and can no longer buy a win.

[Iron414]

Iron-awe wrote:

Think you will find Jimmy didn’t return any points from trips to Brackley, Curzon, South Shields and Chester last season, just saying

No, but we did beat Warrington and Chorley at home and Scarborough and Southport away. All which we’ve failed to do under Butler’s expert guidance. 12 point return vs 2. Also just saying.

[Rene Artois]

We are now worse than when Jimbob was driving the bus.

[WonderGoals]

I’ve said numerous times that Butler is worse than Dean was. I never rated Dean, but he was still a better manager than Butler. Butler’s absolutely clueless. I’d put him on par with Knill.

Best way of describing Butler is that he’s the Tomi Ameobi of football managers.

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