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November 22, 2024 at 7:15 am #294389
Alright, forget all this ‘United we stand’ and ‘at least we have a club’ gubbins, what good does constant undermining and doom and gloom do for anyone, club, staff, supporters, etc? Give me one good reason. There was never this much negativity under Hilton. Absolute joke.
November 22, 2024 at 8:52 am #294390All sweetness and light on here under Hilton.
November 22, 2024 at 9:15 am #294392‘United we stand’ is merely a tag line used to keep supporters showing up so the tills keep ringing at Glanford Park. But the reality is that the board are not in alignment with the majority of fans at the moment; Butlers extension, keeping him in post after the worst run of form since relegation season, endorsing the departure of our best players, sacking Turnbull, the Catering going from bad to worse etc. Moreover, I said before the start of the season the main indicator of success would be whether we could maintain the ‘feel good factor’ of last season. Unfortunately it is dissipating like a fart in the wind.
In the wake of ‘Hilton-Gate’ there was a surge in support for the club and since we’ve been riding the crest of a wave. People who hadn’t bothered with attending games for years, came out of the woodwork and the 5 and 6 goal victories, entertaining football, and moments of brilliance from some of our best players, kept them coming back.
Now the ‘almost lost the club’ narrative is losing gravitas, the football is god awful to watch, we’re out of both cups and looking increasingly likely to be floating round the middle of the table for the second half of the season.
Add to that the ‘fans favourites’ departing; The couple of players that had endeared themselves to fans off the pitch with charitable donations, questionable hairstyles, passion for the club and general likability. Now we seem to have a group of lads, disconnected from the fans who look like they can’t be arsed.
The manager and his repetitive interviews are adding to frustrations. He’s becoming insufferable. Despite Jimmy’s tactical shortcomings he was a fairly affable chap. Andy is arrogant, stubborn as a mule, showing no signs of learning and running down the tunnel at full time, two home games on the spin, after lapping up the glory and fist pumping up the DRE at the start of the season.
The warning signs are clear that the fair weathers are losing interest. FA Trophy gate was down around 30% on the same game last year, some fans are explicitly stating they are staying away or not travelling to away games. Gate numbers for league games are looking OK but with a record breaking year of season ticket sales, how many of those fans are actually paying for tickets? I’d imagine a fair amount less than last season. Lose the fair weather fans and it will be VERY difficult to entice them back.
‘Doom and Gloom’ as you call it is just a dose of reality. What good does looking through rose tinted spectacles do? It’s the hope that kills you. All the positivity at the start of the season and we’ve been served up the most negative brand of football in years.
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November 22, 2024 at 9:21 am #294394Losing players we liked and having a manager who is unable to get results is nowhere near as catastrophic as the club being run to the ground. We’re not entitled to success, and clubs across the country regularly get it wrong. Including among those with high budgets for their level. I think some perspective is needed, instead of constant melodrama.
The football and results under Butler have not been good enough, but losing the club ought to gave put things into perspective imo.
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November 22, 2024 at 9:32 am #294396*but the risk of losing
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November 22, 2024 at 9:35 am #294397We’re not entitled to success, and clubs across the country regularly get it wrong. Including among those with high budgets for their level. I think some perspective is needed, instead of constant melodrama.
Not entitled to success no, but we have the tools to be successful at the level we’re at. As for clubs getting it wrong, we are and, I think, as fans we’re entitled to point that out. ( Calls for sacking going a bit too far at the moment IMO but he’s on very thin ice and has to respond quickly.)
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November 22, 2024 at 9:35 am #294398Losing players we liked and having a manager who is unable to get results is nowhere near as catastrophic as the club being run to the ground.
Of course it’s not, but we cant keep pedalling the ‘we almost lost the club’ line forever. It’s growing tiresome, we’ve heard it enough. If we were winning games would we still be talking about our near-extinction? I highly doubt it.
November 22, 2024 at 9:36 am #294399100% Siderite but then again some posters thrive on melodrama and some others appear to have an agenda of their own. I won’t compile a list because that will add to the melodrama but I believe an old time poster used to dub certain posters ” the usual suspects” most old posters will remember that saying the newer ones may be head scratching.
November 22, 2024 at 9:41 am #294401We’re not entitled to success, and clubs across the country regularly get it wrong. Including among those with high budgets for their level. I think some perspective is needed, instead of constant melodrama.
Not entitled to success no, but we have the tools to be successful at the level we’re at. As for clubs getting it wrong, we are and, I think, as fans we’re entitled to point that out. ( Calls for sacking going a bit too far at the moment IMO but he’s on very thin ice and has to respond quickly.)
I understand that, and criticism is definitely warranted. It’s just the tone and arguments go way beyond just saying “not good enough, Butler”.
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November 22, 2024 at 1:06 pm #294407‘Now the ‘almost lost the club’ narrative is losing gravitas, the football is god awful to watch, we’re out of both cups and looking increasingly likely to be floating round the middle of the table for the second half of the season.’
I see most supporters online agreeing that the ‘we nearly lost the club’ mantra is wearing a bit thin, but it still doesn’t mean perspective should be thrown down the pan. Most your posts should have a warning: ‘no perspective here’. I don’t have rose tinted glasses but neither am I constantly looking for any aspect of on and off field activity to be critical of. It’s astonishing, a casual observer would be forgiven for thinking it’s a GTFC fan posting. Things really aren’t that bad, and to claim we’re looking at mid table dwelling for the rest of the season only serves your pessimistic prediction at season start. A long way to go yet.
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November 22, 2024 at 3:04 pm #294409Iron414 is definitely a troll.
The negativity is off the charts, even from before the season even started.
FA Trophy attendance down 30% from last year is meaningless when played a team from a higher league last season and not one from a lower league this season.
Butler’s management career will go one of two ways dependent on results, in the meantime give the guy a chance, he is actually on our side.2 users thanked author for this post.
November 22, 2024 at 3:18 pm #294410* FA Trophy attendance down 30% from last year is meaningless when we played a team from a higher league last season and not one from a lower league like this season. *
Sorry, too late to edit my bad grammar.
November 22, 2024 at 3:42 pm #294411We played a team from the same league as us last season TJO,fans normally go to watch scunny not Darlo as it was, though some of the extra 97 against Solihull was down to see how we faired against higher opposition.
So yes a 30% reduction is a pretty fair reflection on what we’re watching at the moment.1 user thanked author for this post.
November 22, 2024 at 3:56 pm #294412Thanks awaywego I stand corrected on that, I knew I shouldn’t have had that 5th Guinness with my meds
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November 22, 2024 at 4:00 pm #294413As a season ticket holder I feel entitled to point out things I don’t like what the club are doing on and off the pitch.
Today’s is the club asking fans to Pledge another tenner a month to the lottery as if a tenners a month isn’t enough already, go for people who aren’t in it rather than them that are, or maybe keep their side of the bargain and do weekly prizes and increase the jackpot more than the one off xmas draw, after all it was the club who said it would and not my wishful thinking.
The club have really showed their greed this season is beyond doubt.November 22, 2024 at 4:24 pm #294414Greed?? They’re trying pay off the debt and become sustainable. How can that be classed as greed? You’re not obliged to contribute any more funds. No one is. But if you don’t ask you don’t get and some may want to give more. Why is it such a big deal?
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November 22, 2024 at 4:26 pm #294415‘give the guy a chance, he is actually on our side.’
Yes TJO. As incredible as that may seem to some, he actually is. You’d think he was a shill the way some people post about him. God knows what they say about their enemies.
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November 22, 2024 at 6:52 pm #294426For years someone shares something 50/50 with someone else, then one decides he wants more than his 50% because he can, he now wants 60%, that is greed nothing more nothing less.
November 22, 2024 at 7:09 pm #294427Didn’t Stan sign a 2 year contract?
Crystal ball time.
We aren’t promoted this season – will he still be in the saddle in Sept of the 2025/26 season?
November 22, 2024 at 7:23 pm #294429Stick yer crystal ball up your derrière Rene. Ooh la la.
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November 22, 2024 at 7:35 pm #294432November 23, 2024 at 11:09 am #294446The club have really showed their greed this season is beyond doubt.
You don’t have to shell out a penny if you don’t want to. It’s not some new form of taxation.
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November 23, 2024 at 4:55 pm #294467‘Now we seem to have a group of lads, disconnected from the fans who look like they can’t be arsed.
Really? Not what it sounded like today 414 or the other games I’ve watched or listened to commentary on. I reckon you just make things up to suit your narrative. Come back to me when we’re dwelling around mid-table for a long period and I might treat you more seriously.
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November 23, 2024 at 6:18 pm #294481As a season ticket holder I feel entitled to point out things I don’t like what the club are doing on and off the pitch.
Today’s is the club asking fans to Pledge another tenner a month to the lottery as if a tenners a month isn’t enough already, go for people who aren’t in it rather than them that are, or maybe keep their side of the bargain and do weekly prizes and increase the jackpot more than the one off xmas draw, after all it was the club who said it would and not my wishful thinking.
The club have really showed their greed this season is beyond doubt.Greed? is the club awash with profit ?
November 23, 2024 at 10:39 pm #294497We’re not entitled to success, and clubs across the country regularly get it wrong. Including among those with high budgets for their level. I think some perspective is needed, instead of constant melodrama.
Not entitled to success no, but we have the tools to be successful at the level we’re at. As for clubs getting it wrong, we are and, I think, as fans we’re entitled to point that out. ( Calls for sacking going a bit too far at the moment IMO but he’s on very thin ice and has to respond quickly.)
I understand that, and criticism is definitely warranted. It’s just the tone and arguments go way beyond just saying “not good enough, Butler”.
Nail on head
November 23, 2024 at 10:54 pm #294501They should be in profit now 64 the only thing that might have stopped it is the transfer fee they paid for Beck, but I would say we’re in profit the way the debt was paid down so fast over the last year.
November 24, 2024 at 7:12 am #294514Eureka!
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