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    It’s worth saying how pleasing it is to hear Butler more open and upbeat in BBC Radio Humberside interviews than has been the case in the past. To my mind he sounds a decent enough bloke, and earnest in his pursuit of success. Dedicated to his job, intent on working hard and accepting of the quirks and qualities of our squad. Each time I’ve listened in recent weeks I’ve come out the other end of the interview hoping he does well.

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    Stan’s had a fair wind at his back recent and has kicked on. Bravo!

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    Exactly why we should stick with him and back him through rough spells.

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    Exactly why we should stick with him and back him through rough spells.

    Someone said to me recently “How are young new managers ever meant to become good managers if they get the sack after two or three crap results?”

    The Board’s stated requirement was promotion, and at this stage of the season we’re “in the mix” so we’re on course, all with a green manager and a bunch of (misfit) players.

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    Exactly why we should stick with him and back him through rough spells.

    Yep, the time for reevaluation is May. Butler made many mistakes, the results were poor and performances not optimal for a while. However, some were all too ready to dismiss the idea that a manager can learn or adapt, with little consideration for the pitfalls of becoming sack happy. Any attempts to say we should stick by Butler with the hope that he can learn and turn things round were made out to be defending the crud that was on display over a period of poor form. I have no idea if Butler will succeed, and the loss of Whitehall is a concern if it isn’t short term, but the detractors didn’t really have it fully clued in with their assessments either, even if some thought they did. We are in a promotion battle, the promises of anything but midtable mediocrity being dreamland were nonsense, as were the claims that we would definitely drop like a stone from some.

    Sure, some of those criticising raised valid points and were less certain. Many have now said they have changed opinion again. However, maybe the turnaround shows that it’s maybe best not to form solid opinions of how Butler can’t succeed on short term form. Criticism is expected during such times, but it should be constructive, and it’s important to remember the level we’re at and that these players will make errors.

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    For me the big turning point was when he began to learn. He had success with his preferred system initially and seemed determined to stick with it when it stopped working. He was totally inflexible at that time and dug his heels in in response to (valid) criticism. At some point, for whatever reason, he realised that there were other ways to play football. We now have a starting line up that better suits the players, together with a willingness and ability to change that as necessary. He’s far from the finished article but if he continues to learn he could get there.
    Here’s hoping UTI.

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    Exactly why we should stick with him and back him through rough spells.

    Yep, the time for reevaluation is May. Butler made many mistakes, the results were poor and performances not optimal for a while. However, some were all too ready to dismiss the idea that a manager can learn or adapt, with little consideration for the pitfalls of becoming sack happy. Any attempts to say we should stick by Butler with the hope that he can learn and turn things round were made out to be defending the crud that was on display over a period of poor form. I have no idea if Butler will succeed, and the loss of Whitehall is a concern if it isn’t short term, but the detractors didn’t really have it fully clued in with their assessments either, even if some thought they did. We are in a promotion battle, the promises of anything but midtable mediocrity being dreamland were nonsense, as were the claims that we would definitely drop like a stone from some.

    Sure, some of those criticising raised valid points and were less certain. Many have now said they have changed opinion again. However, maybe the turnaround shows that it’s maybe best not to form solid opinions of how Butler can’t succeed on short term form. Criticism is expected during such times, but it should be constructive, and it’s important to remember the level we’re at and that these players will make errors.

    Everyone’s wounded. Everyone’s got PTSD. From Swann and Hilton. From dropping out of the league and then down to this division. Plus, of course, from the club almost going… So it’s no wonder emotions get hot and high, stress explodes and reason gets burned up in a toxic mix.

    The order of the day for the remainder of the season is steady away and calm heads. We should accept the fact we’ve got an inexperienced manager who has been doing well for the last 15 or so games with Division 6 players (who have managed to string results together despite often lacklustre and highly unattractive performances).

    That’s not to say “keep your powder dry”. If there’s criticism needed, give it – but constructively. It’s coming up to crunch time, and I don’t know about you but when the pressure’s really on, I already know what’s at stake and I don’t need someone screaming at me that me I’m f*cking sh*t.

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    For me the big turning point was when he began to learn. He had success with his preferred system initially and seemed determined to stick with it when it stopped working. He was totally inflexible at that time and dug his heels in in response to (valid) criticism. At some point, for whatever reason, he realised that there were other ways to play football. We now have a starting line up that better suits the players, together with a willingness and ability to change that as necessary. He’s far from the finished article but if he continues to learn he could get there.
    Here’s hoping UTI.

    Turning point, to me, seemed to be that cringeworthy interview with Ollie Turner of BBC Radio Humberside. Perhaps someone at the club (I’d wager Michelle) had a heart-to-heart with Andy, because his approach markedly changed and he seemed to “grow up a bit” for want of a much better way of putting it. I’m talking about his previous inflexibility but also his interaction with those (Ollie Turner and by extension all the fans) who were questioning him or giving him a hard time.

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    Maybe. May equally have had a word with himself. It was and is heartening to hear them getting on splendidly so soon after said episode.

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    Maybe. May equally have had a word with himself. It was and is heartening to hear them getting on splendidly so soon after said episode.

    Yeah, I thought that too. Just in general Butler seems to be someone who embraces life and wants to improve himself. So all credit to him if he did sit down and think about his part in his situation and “have a word with himself”. He does look to have turned it around in a very positive way and not many in football seem capable of that introspection and action.

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    I personally think Olly Turner had to change,when he 1st arrived he got my back and Im someone who thinks Humberside reporters have been a bit too meek up until Mike White.Perhaps behind the scenes, as local press should,they have worked on a better relationship?.Fans want blood when we lose,it’s up to our local cal press to temper that while still offering an honest appraisal.Its not their job to “call out” anyone Especially as performance is so massively subjective

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    I personally think Olly Turner had to change,when he 1st arrived he got my back and Im someone who thinks Humberside reporters have been a bit too meek up until Mike White.Perhaps behind the scenes, as local press should,they have worked on a better relationship?.Fans want blood when we lose,it’s up to our local cal press to temper that while still offering an honest appraisal.Its not their job to “call out” anyone Especially as performance is so massively subjective

    Ollie is a highly competent commentator and really good football reporter. But very occasionally in the past he’s worded post-match questions in a way that definitely (despite his tone of voice and delivery) would come across as confrontational or even aggressive to an already beleaguered manager. I think Ollie genuinely cares about the club like a fan does, and so I put it down to personal enthusiasm and professional clumsiness.

    Personally, I’d rather tolerate that occasional misstep than the seemingly endless backslapping bore, wafer-thin ‘we’re all mates aren’t we’ shite we used to get. BBC Radio Humberside coverage of SUFC, streamlined as it is, is much better now than it has ever been imho.

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    I think he wanted to make a mark and missed it.I do believe you can build trust and then be allowed more rope so to speak

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    I think he wanted to make a mark and missed it.I do believe you can build trust and then be allowed more rope so to speak

    I have to respectfully disagree with you there. I don’t think he was out for himself, looking for some Hard-Hitting Sports Journalism Prize. It wasn’t cynical. I think he was caught up in the general hurt and anger around the way things were going, and ‘got it wrong’.

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    I think he was caught up in the general hurt and anger around the way things were going, and ‘got it wrong’.

    So did Butler, by the way. But, as discussed further back up this thread, they both seem to have done some personal development work and turned it around. Fair play to them both.

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    I guess it’s certainly more hard for a less seasoned pro to sideline a certain subjective bias when all around you it’s getting to fever pitch .Even the ground was becoming a bit of a bear pit and the press box is very exposed

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    I guess it’s certainly more hard for a less seasoned pro to sideline a certain subjective bias when all around you it’s getting to fever pitch .Even the ground was becoming a bit of a bear pit and the press box is very exposed

    It did seem to almost reach fever pitch, for a while – in the stadium, on socials.

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    I like Ollie and yes he’s ruffled AB’s feathers now and again but it’s great the relationship between them seems back on track , as for the Press box being a bit exposed at the Attis, well you couldn’t ask for a better minder than Torps sat next to you.

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    I like Ollie in general and his style. Not afraid to ask some tough questions and address the elephant in the room. Telling Nelson he was effectively being replaced by Dean was an uncomfortable listen, but I put that down to the fraudster not communicating the plans, rather than Ollie trying to drop bombshells. Sounded like he assumed he would already know. Relying on Ollie and Torps for decent commentary is not too shabby. I don’t think ‘brave’ has been mentioned once.

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