brexit benefits

[64]

I’ve seen none, wish I’d voted remain TBH.
No really meaty trade deals materialising, a trade deal with EU that involves acres of red tape and in certain cases I cannot even buy certain things anymore for my personal hobbies as they cannot ship outside EU
Al they can do is try forcing highly skilled people into lower paid work as the obsession with freedom of movement has robbed us of an unskilled resource.
The irony being that they promised us a high skill economy, I seen no investment in this,just snotty ministers doing a” Tebbit”
It’s been a failure 100%
It didn’t help going into the noegotiatiosn with a racist gun in their backs

[Northumbiron]

Some of us aren’t surprised in the slightest.

But, hey! Give it 30-50 years and you never know!

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[Bucksiron]

Some of us aren’t surprised in the slightest by the ridiculous claims being made by remainers. Just blame everything on Brexit and CO2 emissions.

I mean, what else could possibly explain the difficulties the world’s now facing. Frankly, I blame Brexit and CO2 for the problems in China.

[64]

The remainers pathetically rattle on about the bus as if anybody believed it,but nobody with any sense thought the Tories would use any money saved on the NHS.
I did expect z certain pragmatism in the negotiations with it being a straight in or out question with no preconceived vision tagged on,yet they instantly claimed we voted to end immigration which was never the question.Racists 1 decency nil

[Siderite]

Desperate from Bucks. He’s not talking about outlandish far off concerns.

Well done 64 for being able to change his mind.

[Iron-awe]

Yes it takes a lot to admit you got it wrong for Buck’s it would take a brain transplant, him being the donor of course. 😂

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[64]

I still have my concerns about the faux democracy surrounding the most powerful(comissioners) and in particular the Pesudent non of whom have faced the electorate .
The lies of the Brexit campaigners set arch Liar Johnson up for the most dishonest leadership in modern history, not helped by a parliament obsessed with pomp and ceremony over decency,if somebody lies they used to resign out of decency,this was never a rule so once you have no decency you get liars.The latest Hoyle hissy fit a classic example of how parliament is set up to protect itself above anything else

[Bucksiron]

Desperate?! You couldn’t be more wrong, Sidey. It just makes me laugh how anything and everything is now being blamed on Brexit. Whatever anyone thinks about the UK government — now or at any time — we can at least get rid of them.

Meanwhile the EU’s unelected, highly paid bureaucrats still trundle between Brussels and Strasbourg at a cost of tens of millions of euros a year while we’re still having to pay billions towards EU staff pensions.

Remainers would have more of a case if the EU was thriving, but it’s in a horrendous mess. Financially and politically, everywhere you look the EU is in deep trouble.

[Siderite]

Well, it comes across that way when you try and claim that reasonable and connected concerns about Brexit from 64 are akin to blaming Brexit for the China protests.

Meanwhile everything in the UK is hunky dory and we have those great trade deals on our own terms, no red tape and sunlit uplands, as we were promised.

[64]

I have at my home of a friend’s parts/materials for his jewellery making business that he had in storage ,he’s an immigrant living in France,or he would be if he wasn’t white and English so he’s an” ex pat” In this deal he cannot take his own bought and paid for stuff into France without paying tax on it, despite it being paid for andbtaxed in the UK years ago,it’s now in limbo,so much for not noticing once the oven ready deal was done.I cannot get certain woods from a Portuguese supplier that used to be allowed across borders,they are not allowed to be sold outside the EU.So much for not noticing .

[billpuntonsghost]

All the neo- Marxist globalists on here ( the usual suspects) are really on the side of WEF, Bill Gates (and the like) and the “ totalitarian “ elites,but they’re still stuck in their Labour v Tory position and so are blind to see what’s happening before their very eyes.

[Siderite]

Yes, everyone against you is a conspiratorial villain. There is no such thing as good faith disagreement. Everyone is against you.

[64]

Cranks aside,I still can’t get my stuff

[Iron-awe]

Life is tough for a lot of people but bill is really having a bad time by the sound of it.

[TwoWrights]

Looking on the bright side British fishermen have got their waters back. Oh, Hull had two state of the art trawlers left, one used to catch 10% of haddock and cod (muck) seen in British fish and chip shops. Post Brexit, with Norway slashing the quota, one is up for sale, and the other in danger of going up for sale.
Marvelous.

[Heath]

We are now free to pollute the sea and slaughter wildlife in the North sea.

Good of 64 to start another Brexit thread after pulling down a thread about Brexit.

7 pages on that thread Bucks, and despite your grandstanding above, I’m still waiting for you to provide a single benefit.

[Iron-awe]

He can’t and he won’t but he will demonize the EU for as long as your prepared to listen. I believe it’s called whataboutery.

[Bucksiron]

Heavens, Siderite, are you serious? As with everything there’ll be winners and losers from Brexit, but all that remainers are doing is blaming everything that’s wrong at the moment on Brexit, that’s the point I was making.

What the UK Government’s failed miserably to do, among many other things — and, no, I’m not remotely happy about the Tories at the moment — is make the most of Brexit. But blaming our economic woes on Brexit is just nonsense. There are numerous things that have had a far greater impact, from extended lockdowns that should never have happened to a net-zero policy that’s driving energy costs through the roof and Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, paid for mainly by members of the EU.

As for the benefits of Brexit, remainers just fall back on project fear. It’s exactly what’s happening on this board. I pointed out a major benefit, which is that the UK can do what it likes in terms of supporting its people and businesses with regard to energy costs. I pointed out that Germany was under a lot of pressure because of its decision to support its people and businesses on energy, which many EU states believe to be unfair under competition rules.

Entirely as expected the response on here was to deny this is an issue, which is rubbish. It’s a huge issue now and very likely to become an even bigger one as the energy crisis gets worse. In reality the EU can’t stop its biggest economy because Germany wields so much power, so of course the rules will be bent as necessary. But had the UK still been a member the political pressure from the rest of Europe would have been enormous and very likely have led to the UK not being able to do what it wanted. Of course, this hasn’t been an issue so remainers simply ignore it.

This is what leaving the EU was really about, which is being able to take decisions without interference from Brussels (or Strasbourg, depending on what day of the week it happens to be). Of course it’s going to take time to see benefits from this and claiming otherwise is, frankly, just stupid.

[Siderite]

Yes, it’s completely ridiculous of me to point out that trade problems and the like have anything to do with Brexit. How silly of me. Saying reduced exports to our biggest trading partner has a thing to do with Brexit is like blaming the Chinese protests on Brexit. You’re very correct.

[64]

Its purely practical and not political for me,its effected me adversely in a way I was told it wouldn’t.

[Bucksiron]

Come off it, Siderite, how could anyone not realise that I was just being sarcastic about blaming what’s happening in China on Brexit. I mean, seriously, that’s a stretch, even for your sensitive soul.

So, 64, Boris called and told you, in person, what the effects of Brexit would be?! Did it never occur to you that the EU — and the French Government, in particular — would do everything in its power to get its own back on the UK people for making such a decision? The French have done everything they possibly can to make life as difficult as possible for the UK, which hasn’t surprised me in the slightest. I love France and I love the French people but the French Government has a long history of being very anti-British when it comes to Europe.

As for the Brexit campaign, did you really believe everything you were told?! Both sides were as bad as each other and anyone claiming otherwise is biased, naive or just doesn’t understand how politicians work.

[Siderite]

More word twisting. Yawn.

Of course I realise what the joke was. The simple point is that it’s not relevant to valid critique of Brexit.

I don’t particularly care, I was just saying the joke is a bit off point. 64 raised valid concerns which are not as absurd as blaming Chinese protests on brexit.

[64]

Odd post,obviously the promises publicly made on the campaigns weren’t phoned to me personally.

[Northumbiron]

Here’s my latest email from Lord Heseltine….

“One pound sterling was worth 1.48 US dollars on 23 June 2016, the day of the referendum. The following day that value plummeted to 1.36 dollars. Yesterday a pound was buying 1.18 dollars. That amounts to a loss of over 20% of the pound’s value against the dollar since 2016.

The London School of Economics has estimated that Brexit alone – before the effects of the pandemic and the war in Ukraine are accounted for – is responsible for a 6% rise in food prices. Put starkly, Brexit means that more people are unable to pay their mortgage or rent, are having to turn to food banks, or are unable to heat their homes.

Brexit affects all of us, in some cases catastrophically. There is no more important campaign than ours – to undo this damage, and rebuild our relationship with Europe.

Post-Brexit, UK exports to the EU fell by 14% in 2021. The Centre for European Reform, has estimated that Brexit had, by the end of 2021, reduced trade in goods between the UK and the EU by 13.6% and left UK GDP 5.2% lower than it would have been had the UK stayed in the EU single market.

These are the judgements of independent organisations and markets and stand in stark contrast to the propaganda of Brexiteers. It was all too easy to promise a bonfire of red tape and demonise Brussels bureaucrats in a cynical exploitation of people’s anxieties and frustrations.

I do not accept that Brexit is irreversible.

The timescale may be unpredictable. The purpose is not.

We must start by rebuilding bridges.

We need a practical compromise over the Irish border that would restore devolved government. We need to end the isolation of our scientists and researchers by rejoining the Horizon Europe research and innovation programme. We should restore the right for our young people to participate in projects abroad under the EU’s Erasmus Plus programme.

In place of a Department for Exiting the EU, we need a Minister with responsibility for Enhancing Relationships with the EU. We should attack the restrictions on musicians and other UK service providers to work for short periods in the EU.

Each of the steps I have set out is realistic. The EU is still there, next door, with its market of 450 million people. We thrive only by working closely together.”

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[Heath]

He could have added that our rivers, seas and beaches are more polluted. This parliament has given us the worse set of ministers who are doing more harm than good and not even trying to set out a coherent medium to long term plan.

[Bucksiron]

This is exactly the sort of stuff that I’ve been talking about, NI. LSE can make all the claims they like but in truth they don’t have a clue; and I’d love to have an opportunity to challenge what will undoubtedly be their computer modelling in coming up with this number.

Apart from anything else, every other major economy is suffering from inflation in the same way as the UK, so presumably that’s down to Brexit as well????? On top of that there’s absolutely no mention of energy costs, which are the main driver of inflation. This is blatant spin and I’m surprised you could be taken in by it, unless of course you’re ion a fishing expedition.

What people need to remember is that even the best academic establishments now have to market themselves, including the likes of LSE; and they know exactly the sort of ‘results’ that generate greatest interest, including anything that ‘demonstrates’ Brexit failing.

Absolute tosh, especially given it’s from Heseltine.

[Siderite]

If it doesn’t suit Bucks’s agenda it’s a conspiracy.

[Iron-awe]

I’m no Heseltine fan but I’d take his political view on Brexit rather then you Bucks, personal choice of course. He is a former government minister with vast years of experience unlike yourself just a PR guy with what appears to be a certain type of agenda. As I say just a personal view and not a bit of personal abuse in sight BTW.

[Northumbiron]

No offence Bucks, but I’d trust the LSE, CER & CBI over you.

I’d also rather trust my own eyes and ears!

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