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Yes, Bucks, it’s ridiculous to complain about people with preventable diseases in terrible conditions.
Perhaps I should call them invading hordes, and you might not call critics ridiculous.
I wasn’t aware that the French were responsible for how people are treated in the UK.
I made no comment on this other than how they are being treated, but please jump to assumptions based on your straw men. It shows your tribal nature and why it’s pointless me bothering to give a fuller answer.
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He’s an irrelevance don’t be distracted.This refugee baiting by Tories has been inevitable, they have trashed the economy,they have no serious leaders or mps and are in a hole,all they have is be nasty about foreigners to get their core voters giddy.
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They want to come here because despite the state it has got in under the Tories, it is still preferable to where they are running from, don’t need to be a usual suspect to work that one out but apparently you haven’t worked it out.
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My comment wasn’t about the UK being horrible or whatever. I don’t know why you think I give a damn about being called a usual suspect by you, since you display the very behaviour you criticise others for.
You quite clearly took exception to me making what should be an inane comment about how these people have been treated badly. If you found my comment ridiculous it means you think it’s ridiculous to criticise humans living in squalor, when it’s preventable, it’s ridiculous to call them human, you misunderstood my intention or are twisting my words yet again. There are no other possibilities.
I wasn’t saying anyone arguing against immigration is evil, xenophobic, racist or whatever straw man you want to throw at me. I was making a specific point about the treatment of people who have crossed the channel once arrived. Like it or not, they should be treated humanely.
If you make a comment which makes it seem like you think it’s ridiculous to say humans should be treated humanely, then don’t start complaining when my opinion is not positive and I make scathing comments. I couldn’t give a damn about being politically correct about someone who told me it’s ridiculous to be concerned about welfare of humans. It could be you misunderstanding, but you can’t blame someone for calling you out for what is a deeply inhumane implication; that it’s ridiculous to want acceptable living standards for refugees, migrants or whoever.
None of this means I think the UK is horrible or beyond redemption. I just think we can treat these people better and that this is a stain on our record. I have gone through wh the UK has some great points previously. I am not doing so again, because someone who has to demonise others remotely to the left of Reagan understands (and probably won’t anyway, because it doesn’t suit their agenda).
Stop moaning that people have a different opinion to you. I am allowed to criticise Braverman’s disgusting language and lack of care to others. This is not the real crime. Disregard to others and how they live is.
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Always the victim, it’s never your fault.
Yes, Bucks, I am missing the point that migrants and refugees shouldn’t be treated humanely. I made no comment on France in my post you took exception to. It was solely about people being crammed into horrible conditions with disease. Regardless of whether they have a right to be here, that the home secretary has allowed when she has other options.
Yes, Bucks, it’s self-righteous to care about how people are treated. The real issue is criticising those who call them invaders or think places with diphtheria are too good for the likes of them. The real problem is being critical of themand hurting their precious feelings.
Frankly, I am not missing the point, because of why they are here or France’s responsibility has sod all to do with my original point. We should be treating them humanely, regardless.
I could go into this, but it’s pointless, because you will only misrepresent and gaslight, as you have demonstrated yet again.
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I love how Bucks makes comments about impossibility of debate, when his own straw manning, word twisting and putting words into others’ mouths makes it impossible to have any kind of sensible debate with him, frankly.
There is a reason I haven’t made any comment on responsibility of migrants coming here, besides it being irrelevant to my criticism of how humans have been treated while on these shores. It’s because there’s not a cat in Hell’s chance Bucks will accurately represent my views. It will be more straw manning and twisting, as can be seen above with bringing this part up in a separate point and accusations of how others must think the UK to be horrible as a whole because there’s an element to critique. It’s frankly impossible to debate with someone who refuses to understand what you’re saying and makes out you’re some straw man.
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“The only reason I have reacted angrily is because you speak to others as if they’re beneath you.”
Same as it ever was!
I have said on many occasions that Bucks actually does raise some pertinent points which are worthy of discussion.
However, as Siderite says, it is not easy to debate the topic for the reasons he gives.
C’mon Bucks, you’ve a lot to say, but why resort to whataboutery, gaslighting and straw-manning?
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