At what point do we consider the manager is the problem?

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    cokeovenkidcokeovenkid
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    By limiting the amount and quality of players the manager can have, maybe he does ?

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    Ex OfficioEx Officio
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    But a man who was out of the game for so long

    Most of the folk that post on here have NEVER been in the game at all but can see what the problems are.

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    alcazaralcazar
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    Well maybe… it’s often clearer to spot a problem if you aren’t involved.

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    scunnymatt88scunnymatt88
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    Certain managers HAVEN’T been the problem at this club its the people above but yet again the managers are the easy blame for people who fail to see the bigger picture behind.

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    GlanfordgiantAndrew
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    I’ve thought long and hard about this but it is time. He’s out of his depth and our league existence is under threat. Time to go i am afraid. This squad is his in the majority and still they make decisions that are against his instructions according to Cox. If that’s the case he’s lost the dressing room. Cox out, even though i like the guy.

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    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    Who’s going to want to replace him under the present regime?

    We need a strong character with a reputation for getting a squad fired up and competing.

    a) It there anyone with those credentials available.

    b) How long would he last before he ruffled a few of those white feathers?

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    cassidystashcassidystash
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    He has brought in players, characters, that have bought in to the way he wants to play the game – or so we are told! However it appears, now they are here, they have their own ideas of how to play the game and have little interest in Cox’s ideas. Can’t entirely blame them but that’s not really how it should work is it?

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    #212573
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    Cox has placed the blame on the players a few too many times. Of course they were not blameless for what went on last year, but not good to hear the same from Cox after the first match of the season.

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    PaulSanfran49
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    Can we say MANAGEMENT ?

    This is the responsibility of the collective.

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    GlanfordgiantAndrew
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    I see no difference so far from last season, when we had players here that were not Cox/Will Swann choices. The team is now Cox’s/W Swann junior and still we hear the same soundbites and blather blaming the players not listening etc. If they aren’t listening it’s down to the manager and ergo management. I like Cox as stated but how long can wr stumble on with the same rhetoric week in week out?

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    GlanfordgiantAndrew
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    *We stumble on.

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    Lord KitchenerLord Kitchener
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    He inherited a team of players in the last years of their contracts, who were simply not interested last year. Subsequently they were all released and Cox was allowed to bring in his own men, as long as they didn’t cost anything. The problem isn’t Cox, it is the asset stripping Furher who is blaming the players, the manager, the staff and the fans. Everybody is to blame except the one who is (and has been) totally responsible.

    To summarise. I have lost count of how many managers have been fired in the last fifteen years. A knee jerk reaction that solves absolutely nothing.

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    PaulSanfran49
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    Lord Kitchener.

    Small correction for you but several of those released were NEVER allowed to show any interest. They never got a chance. Mr Cox kept picking the same failures and some of those are still being selected this season. I do know that one player was due to go on loan last january was asked to stay because he was wanted for the 1st team. He did and was never spoken to again !!

    And just to add something for you to consider – Why did Joey Dawson refuse to stay ?

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    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    To summarise. I have lost count of how many managers have been fired in the last fifteen years.

    Fifteen years ago (2006/07) we were champions of L1.

    Ten years ago we had only just lost our Championship status.

    It’s only in the last eight years that the hiring and firing of both managers and players has been a problem.

    Not sure what that coincides with but I’m sure someone can point it out.

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    Lord KitchenerLord Kitchener
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    Semantics (lol).

    I still think that to sack the manager again will solve nothing. The fault lies with Peter Swann, and only his removal and the recovery of the assets he has taken will even scratch the surface.

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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    I agree problem is with Swann at the head of the club, still it doesn’t change the fact that Cox isn’t a good enough manager.

    Never been convinced by him.

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    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    But I bet his favourite phrase is “yes boss!”

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    Cox now has the players so it is starting to point towards him and a lack of tactical ability. His after match ramblings dont inspire confidence either.
    Still no goals from open play!

    TAXI

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    NorthumbironNorthumbiron
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    A week ago posters were bigging up the team’s togetherness and battling qualities and praising Cox for this.

    For whatever reason he drops two players who had performed well last time out and replaces them with two loans who had only just entered the building.

    So I’m wondering if this had a destabilising effect on the lineup?

    Got the team selection and tactics wrong yesterday IMO.

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    I have not been one to criticise Cox too much but surely yesterday’s team selection could go some way to wreck the togetherness that was starting to show. iMO the two new loaners should have been on the bench as best. I hope it’s not in the agreements that they have to play.

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    “Got the team selection and tactics wrong yesterday IMO”.

    It’s not just a problem with yesterday’s tactics is it. Losing count of the number of games when we have 0 or 1 shot on target and when we have much less percentage of the ball than the opposition.

    Hard to win many matches with that approach. It’s not as if we are a clinical team on the break is it? No decent wide players or nippy strikers (Green clearly doesn’t have even the basics of footballing skills).

    I get that he can only work with what we’ve got, but it must be hard for the players and not much fun when the main tactic seems to be to not concede.

    Managed to scrape a few points from the first few matches. But the defenders are under so much pressure every game. It is very difficult to hang on in every match when there is so little intent to attack.

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    mistertonmickmistertonmick
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    his comments last night summed it up, we have looked at Northampton twice and know what they are going to do in the first 20 minutes and we set up to counteract it, if we were a good side we would be set up for them to counteract us rather than worry about the opposition all the time, can’t remember how many times since Neil has been here we haven’t had a shot on target but it must near or into double figures, when was the last time anyone got sent off against us when it mattered, the last one was nearly 2 years ago in the last minute of injury time v Port Vale.

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    I really hope neither of the loanees are on the George Thomas kind of deal. He got picked game after game despite being plainly not ready for mens football. Rumours at the time suggested we paid about a grand a week towards his wages if he played but had to pay the full (unbelievable Jeff) 13 grand if he didn’t play.

    Wood and Scrimshaw look like they are ready for mens football. The other lad from Middlesbrough doesn’t look ready on yesterday’s showing. It’s only one game and the lad might adapt quickly but I would rather see Perry and Pugh in the meantime. They have shown they can cope with League 2 football.

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    I am sorry for Neil feeling that he has to play 5 at the back.
    Unless we play 4-1-3-2 with Davis in front of the defence, his options seem more limited this year than last – for some reason.
    He really wants to include Davis, Manny and Loft. I get that. (What he does next week may be more problematic with the sending off.) But who is the third CB he can play? – Not Rowe unless things are very bad.

    Green staying on looked an odd call.
    Hackney did okay in a difficult situation, the like of which he’s never experienced before – but needed to come off at half time.
    Questions can legitimately be asked about what he was trying to achieve yesterday with the decisions we witnessed.

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    BigLeftToeBigLeftToe
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    Wood more than justified his selection and was our best player yesterday. Hackney, not so much. Thought it was strange not to start Scrimshaw. Yes he only had 1 day of full training but when joined he barely had any and put in a MOTM performance!

    The writing was on the wall as soon as Manny got sent off. Cox just doesn’t know how to adapt to games and change things. We probably would have ended up with the same number of shots on goal and possession stats had it remained 11 vs 11.

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    Yes he only had 1 day of full training but when joined he barely had any and put in a MOTM performance!

    I said the same. If Scrimshaw was good enough to score on his debut after a 7 hour car drive the day before with next to no training then he should have played yesterday.

    Cox as well all know is very poor tactically, he like a mixture of Laws and Wilcox but definitely more Wilcox.

    Wood played really well so he should be in. I’d go with Wood, Perry and Beestin in CM with Jarvis and Scrimshaw until Loft is back. O’Neil I’m not sure about because not seen that much of him. The 20+ minutes he came on against Tranmere he appeared to be undercooked.

    Green needs to be bench warming. Better still we could throw caution to the wind and go 4/4/2 with Wood, Beestin in CM with Bunn and Green out wide with Jarvis and Scrimshaw up top. Flat back 4.

    We may concede but we may actually offer a goal threat, you just never know !

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    Rather have Wilson or O’Malley than Green the way he’s been performing.

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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    I would but Cox seems to love Green. Wilson for all his promise during pre season hasn’t really had a look in.

    Hippolyte and Bunn on the wings ?

    I forgot we had Hippolyte when making that post about Green playing out wide !.

    As I said above, Cox seems to absolutely adore Green though for some reason. I’m struggling to understand why because he’s been absolute dog mess so far.

    I’d bench Green for a few matches in an attempt to wake him up. Wilson does have ability, we’ve all seen glimpses of it, we could quite easily stick Bunn on the right until he’s knackered and then bring Wilson on for last 15-20 mins.

    That will probably be too adventurous for Cox though.

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    lesgeolesgeo
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    I meant Taft. Sorry. The brain cell is going.

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    GlanfordgiantAndrew
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    I started this thread 6 months ago, when we were floundering under Cox. Thinking maybe a change would save us, how wrong was I! Despite signing a gaggle of new players we have gone backwards under Hill, and for me are worse now than under Cox. No one can save this shower now, but I don’t want Hill in charge to lead us next season he is clueless. My bigger fear is that whoever is in charge will be leading the club to a second further relegation, I don’t think this is our final humiliation.

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