At what point do we consider the manager is the problem?

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    AwaywegoAwaywego
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    Don’t feel for Cox at all, if you put your head above the parapet then expect to be shot at, especially by football fans, had a nice little job as county’s number 2. Maybe try not to alienate the fans by say you will play attacking football and then don’t,he hasn’t lived in a shed for the last few years and will understand why our mangers have been sacked, so it’s down to him, his choice, his ego.

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    I feel for Cox – proper stitched up with a really crap squad with at least 4 strikers who should not be footballers (or part time at best).

    Coupled to that he does not have the applicable attributes to be a football manager and is way out of his depth.

    Take a moment to think about a local lad played for the club supports the club has the best interests of the club but stitched up by his boss and his own abilities – cannot be a nice feeling.

    People understand that, me included. Now, what annoys me is Cox fielding us up primarily not to lose with zero ambition. That I won’t accept.

    There are a few options Cox can explore but simply won’t, so it’s on him. Stick Green up top with Loft or stick Gillead behind Loft in a 4/4/1/1 formation to offer support, stick Green RW and promote Dales to sub bench to cover for the RW position.

    Playing that formation with 1 isolated striker and 3 defensive midfielders is unforgivable.

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    Seems the concensus is Cox is pretty clueless and his interview on Tuesday was complete BS.

    How about getting a director of football, get Nige in till the end of the season to steady the ship support Cox and give some inspirational leadership.

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    WonderGoalsWonderGoals
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    If we do manage to stay up, Swann needs to move on. To be honest he’s the root cause…we need a chairman to actually be a chairman.

    Not a chairman/football recruiter/tactician or whatever else he probably thinks he is…a simple chairman will do for me.

    If we get that and get one that allows the football people to take care of the footballing side of things, we’ll be a long way to sorting ourselves out.

    I would say we’d be fine if Swann stepped back and allowed other people to take charge of player recruiting e.t.c but we’ve been down this road a dozen times before.

    It’s boring now, if anything was going to change it would have already.

    Vader, to be fair I actually really feel for Cox. I do believe he’s doing his best but his best isn’t good enough due to the fact he has no real knowledge of how to do better.

    That’s the big issue…people say experience isn’t the be all and end all but with the position we’re in, it’s paramount.

    Appointing a rookie manager with that squad was bizare to say the least. Lillis end of this season can go for me, not sure what the hell he’s brought to the party.

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    Who is picking the team ?

    Are the players surprised when selected and when are they told ? The reason for asking the 2nd question is when you see peoples comments most hint at “Do they have a clue what we are doing”

    At home I will not accept 1 up top ! It is negative. Same players get chance after chance, continually fail and others rarely get to see the pitch. Give others a chance – Rowe, Pugh, Hornshaw, Barks, Jessop, Butroid cannot be any worse than some are repeatedly failing.

    Want someone up front Harry Jessop – more than capable. And a couple of wildcards who would drive defenders mad Finn Shrimpton (as joint striker) and Cameron Wilson (2nd year U18 if the rules allowed) he would drive at defences and frightened of little.

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    Sorry Sanfran I can’t agree. Throwing youngsters into the miserable first team set up we find ourselves with could finish their careers early, they’re best out of it.

    #200916
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    Didn’t do man utd young uns any harm, Lawro said you don’t win anything with young uns, whoops.

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    Everytime refereePat O’Cake
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    Some of you are a joke on here, STILL having a pop at Rory when the lads not even playing, it was bad enough you all blaming him and forgeting there are 10 players on the pitch the ball has to get past before it gets to him!!!

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    Neil Cox , over 500 lge games to his name, manager and assistant for 10 years, over 30 years in the game, what more experience or knowledge of the game do you want WG? Also please bare in mind Adkins and Wilcox our rookie managers achieved some success.

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    I think it was Hanson who said you don’t win anything with kids.

    To be fair I don’t see any Beckam, Giggs or Scholes amongst our kids but you never know.

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    Who is picking the team ?

    Are the players surprised when selected and when are they told ? The reason for asking the 2nd question is when you see peoples comments most hint at “Do they have a clue what we are doing”

    At home I will not accept 1 up top ! It is negative. Same players get chance after chance, continually fail and others rarely get to see the pitch. Give others a chance – Rowe, Pugh, Hornshaw, Barks, Jessop, Butroid cannot be any worse than some are repeatedly failing.

    Want someone up front Harry Jessop – more than capable. And a couple of wildcards who would drive defenders mad Finn Shrimpton (as joint striker) and Cameron Wilson (2nd year U18 if the rules allowed) he would drive at defences and frightened of little.

    The youngsters should be there to supplement an experienced spine, not the other way round. We’d get hammered sixes and sevens with half of the under 18’s in.

    I’m still supporting Cox for the time being but it gets tougher to do with his persistence in failing formations and line ups. His saving grace has been our injuries as with Onarisie, Mcghaey and Van Veen we’d have certainly accumulated more points.

    However, A poor return from the Barrow and Grimsby games could be the catalyst for his demise.

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    Apologies MK, knew it was some Scouse bastard.

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    Swann is the problem.. ‘It’s my train set’ syndrome.

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    Apologies MK, knew it was some Scouse bastard.

    It was actually Alan Hansen, not Hanson. A Scotsman not a Scouser

    #200938
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    He’ll always be a Scouse bastard.

    #200939
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    what more experience or knowledge of the game do you want WG

    Managing is a hell of a lot different to just “having knowledge”. Wilcox stumbled over the line with a team littered with quality and Adkins was a one off.

    Cox isn’t equipped to do this job…if he was, he wouldn’t be setting the team up with 3 defensive midfielders and one striker upfront with nobody within 20 yards of him.

    Tactically he’s nowhere near what’s required.

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    Sadly that’s true and he’s no better than he was at the start of the season. Seems to be learning nothing whilst gaining experience. Experience is learning from your mistakes – he isn’t!!

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    Maybe someone should tell Derby that.

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    Completely agree he isn’t learning from his mistakes said before it’s just his ego,like many other managers. I was just pointing out that he has the experience and knowledge,but I would hope he starts to use it.

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    It has been correctly pointed out that Green is an option up front.
    If I recall, he was described as a forward when he first arrived – who also plays wide.

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    I wasn’t advocating it, but i am now, even if we fluke a result against Barrow now we are one down. Cox Out.

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    NOW

    #201034
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    As ever, I’ve supported the manager until it is wholly impossible to continue to do so.

    That first half was disgraceful. Zero attempts on goal and the reason was because we had determined not to push forward at all. How can that be anything other than the manager’s fault?
    On those occasions when we did push forward second half a couple of chances happened.

    So, Mr Cox. I wrote to you on here on Day One and helpfully explained what had to be done. I told you what has got a string of managers sacked – and you knew better. You have chosen negativity and you may soon pay the price.

    If the Chairman fails to provide a forward before the Cods game, I fear that your time will be nearly up.
    As for me – I am ready to demand your head on a platter within the next couple of games.

    You had a guy prepared to support you here – I am now alienated!

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    We were saved last season by COVID! Don’t see this happening again this season unless something changes very quickly, if we have no option but cox please do what you said when you were appointed.
    You said “I like good active attacking football” well up to now I have seen this not seen this! so please stop worrying about the other side and talking them up and just concentrate on your own side.

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    The thread heading is When do we get rid of the Manager???

    It is probably too late, but Swann should get Cox, Lillis, Wilcox and Musslewhite together before boarding the bus back to Scunny today and tell them that they need to clear their desks first thing Monday morning. Barrow were that bad today, I think that they were worse than Scunthorpe, nice to see Howard have a rush of blood when dashing up the field like a mad man, but nice to see him leavong his goal line, might be a good move to play him centre forward next match, he cannot be worse than Toft and Hippolwhite. Howards venture up the field was probably to see the area he should have been kicking the ball during the match instead of into bloody touch every time.

    #201055
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    “You said “I like good active attacking football” well up to now I have seen this not seen this! so please stop worrying about the other side and talking them up and just concentrate on your own side.”

    Spot on – i doubt any of our opponents give a thought to how we play. All they have to say is dont worry about us we wont cross the half way line

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    Now,he had been a negative,tactical inept embarrassment, same as the chairman.

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    5 lost 1 won in the last 6 games. I remember good managers being sacked even when in upper half of the league. Harrogate and Bradford above us with 2 games in hand. Cox drones on after each game about how many “cup finals” we have, and how they want to win every one. It’s a joke. Listen to the opposition commentary – every game Scunthorpe a “poor side”. Serious lack of threat up front. The fault lies at Swann’s door – his turnover of Managers un-acceptable – he meddled too much in an area where he is not qualified. The age old problem of not letting a Manager “manage”. Bringing in 6 players before hiring Cox – disastrous. Give the club Swann to someone who cares about the future of the Club, even if considering the debt, it means you paying the buyer😀. I’m in the Middle East – happy to look at brokering a deal for you!

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    My son said yesterday after the game that even he could get the team playing better! and I know there is plenty more out there thinking the same says it all really.

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    I want Cox to succeed and believe he has been dealt a bad hand by the chairman, Covid, and injuries.

    However, the Grimsby game is a must win.
    Change the formation, start on the front foot and take the game to an equally as poor side.

    Unfortunately Failure to win and a change will need to happen.

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