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A bit harsh. Some people saw what was coming earlier than others. Some people saw it much earlier. Some people saw it much later. That’s about it. It isn’t the supporters … whatever foresight or lack of they had … who are to blame.
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They were entitled to their opinion but they were not entitled to patronise those of us those chose to listen to what the Gainsborough fans were warning us against, we were told we were idiots and that Swann was this brilliant businessman that we should be grateful to have at our club. The fact that they rarely post anymore speaks absolute volumes.
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I very rarely see eye to eye with Buck’s and disagreed with a lot about his continual support of the Chairman but at least he came on and apologised to alcy a while back about being wrong on Swann. Based on previous discussions with Buck’s over the years that must have taken some doing, he very rarley backs down even when his arguments have been shot to pieces by others, so fair play to him on that.
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Being as I was one of the first on here to see through Swann, and suffered some of the worst abuse because of it, I’m un-surprised that Bucks’ apology is, so far, the only one.
Those who “knew better” were not better people, it seems.
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Let’s be clear about why we’re going down. It has nothing to do with pies running out or poor replica shirts. My point always was — and remains — that it’s all too easy to moan and groan about the football club you support.
In terms of apologising, I always said that I would do so if I turned out to be wrong about Swann. Clearly I was wrong and as a man of my word I’ve done what I said that I would, but contrary to some comments it wasn’t at all difficult. There’s absolutely no shame in being wrong — every single person on this board will have been wrong about many things in their lives. Calling people who might have been wrong about Swann idiots is, itself, idiotic.
All of that aside, what I find so disappointing about Swann is how weak the man’s turned out to be. He’s hardly the first owner of a club to lose league status, but what I find unforgivable is his lack of leadership at the very time we need it most, i.e. now.
The guy should be admitting his mistakes, taking the criticism on the chin and vowing to get the club back to winning ways — and league status. But he’s effectively disappeared. Given what we’re seeing happen in the world right now, which let’s be honest puts what we’re going through as football supporters very much into perspective, Swann’s failure to stand-up and be counted is cowardly in the extreme.
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Let’s be clear about why we’re going down. It has nothing to do with pies running out or poor replica shirts.
Very true Bucks, but!
These things amongst others were early indicators that the “astute businessman”
was not as savvy as the PR first suggested. So anyone picking up on this has proved to be right, particularly in the light of more recent issues such as tatty flags, broken scoreboard, dirty seats, flooded toilets and car parks and no match day programmes.The club has been running down for some time now, and we’ve actually been teetering on the brink for three seasons, not one. The ownership could have acted ages ago. So I’m not confident that he will do as suggested in your last paragraph.
I can’t see any amicable solution to the problem.
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Yes NI, and why those things he and you mention are very important is, due to all those issues, falling gates, decreased revenue, slashed squad budget resulting in poor squad. So those things combined are intrinsic to the problem, the vicious circle.
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I thank you🙂
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Let’s be clear about why we’re going down. It has nothing to do with pies running out or poor replica shirts
Not one single person has said we any of the above!!What WAS said is that how can a Chairman moan about lack of income and stay away fans when the fans that DO turn up cannot support the clubs finances via hospitality streams as there is sod all to spend it on!! I fail to understand how you fail to understand this!
Running out of food and drink and poor quality replica shirts are just a couple of things in whole sh1t show that has been the Swanns running of OUR club!!!
Let’s be clear about why we’re going down. It has nothing to do with pies running out or poor replica shirts.
Sell more stuff => Make more money => Invest in facilities & team.
So, actually, that is a contributing factor. If we were getting another 500 people through the gates – and selling pies & shirts is absolutely linked to that – do you really think we’d have quite such a basement bargain first team squad?
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It’s nor irrelevant or a red herrjng, quite frankly, it’s intrinsically bound up with the current situation. Fairly criticising the club over those issues you think are irrelevant and repeating them when nothing seems to be done to rectify (or in many cases, got worse) is totally legitimate and justified. Yes, the recruitment over the last few years has been appalling and it’s a major factor but not the only one. This is not a single issue. You sound like someone quite once removed from the reality, to be frank.
I’m surprised you can’t see how these things contribute to reduced gates and income > Owner reduces player budget > gates reduce further > owner reduces budget again, ad infinitum.
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As a supposed expert in marketing, your continued failure to accept that ALL the issues raised in this thread and over the past 5 years ARE relevant to the demise of this club is unbelievable.
The failure to maximise every income stream, to treat the supporters with respect are contributory factors. I also believe they are important to the retention and recruitment of players.
It is no surprise that the clubs who work the hardest on all the other stuff to create a great atmosphere around the place tend to perform better on the pitch.
Why do you think a manager like Klopp puts so much effort into getting the fans behind the team if the job is only about buying, picking players and deciding what formation to play?
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For about the 10 millionth time, Pat, I’m not accusing you or anyone else of “saying” anything
So if you’re not accusing anyone of saying anything why would you say, and I quote “Let’s be clear about why we’re going down. It has nothing to do with pies running out or poor replica shirts” if nobody said it why would you bring it up? You might as well say were not going down because the sky is blue!
If you cannot get through your head that there is not just one single reason for the position we are in but a long, long list of failures, bad Management decisions, treating supporters with complete and utter contempt, poor hospitality, broken promises, the list goes on and on and a p1ss poor matchday experience is a major factor in thousands of fans staying away!
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Jesus Christ is this bloke on a wind up or just unbelievably thick???? NOBODY IS MISSING THE POINT ON WHY WE ARE GOING TO BE RELEGATED, THERE IS ONLY ONE COMMON DENOMINATOR AND THAT IS SWANN!!!! THE OTHER POINTS MADE ARE ALL ACCUMALATIVE ACTIONS UNDER HIS WATCH, YOU MUST BE ON A WIND UP BECAUSE NOBODY COULD BE THAT STUPID THAT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT!!!
Running out of pies is one thing, running out of everything with a massive line of customers with money in their pockets is another, so shut your mouth about bloody pies because the only one that EVER mentions them is you!!!
Replica shirts are a massive revenue stream for EVERY football club, HUGE profit margins and if you get the marketing right (i.e. have the bloody things available to buy BEFORE a season starts) they will aell as fast as you can stock them!
So when you have your chairman moaning and groaning about the club loosing money hand over fist and these basic things are ballsed up over and over again it is going to rankle to the supporter that is being told the clubs problems are all your fault!!!
I have ran a few business, some very successful and some not so but what I always want is my customers to tell me when something is wrong or not up to standard, and guess what i do?????? I BLOODY WELL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! NOT ACCUSE MY CUSTOMERS OF MOANING AND GROANING!!!!
Christ if anyone has problems with low blood pressure just have a conversation with this clown and you will be right in no time!!!
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If the delivery lead time is 10 weeks then ordering 12-14 weeks before the start of the season might work. Just an idea.
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