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March 27, 2024 at 11:36 am #283212
Look at it from a different angle, would your employer be happy if you deliberately made bad decisions and what do you think he would do if you did?
March 27, 2024 at 11:38 am #283213I don’t think it was deliberate, just incompetence.
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March 27, 2024 at 11:41 am #283214Deliberate? get Jamie on a dossier
March 27, 2024 at 11:46 am #283217Look at it from a different angle, would your employer be happy if you deliberately made bad decisions and what do you think he would do if you did?
So you’d find it acceptable for your boss to fine you for mistakes because one of his customers tells him they suspect you’re making mistakes on purpose?
March 27, 2024 at 11:54 am #283220No i would investigate it and if found to be done deliberately that person would follow a disciplinary process which could end much worse than just a fine.
Just for clarity at no point have i said the mistake was deliberate i was just trying to make a suggestion of a way to stop fans thinking referring mistakes are deliberate which may help quell the conspiracy theories.1 user thanked author for this post.
March 27, 2024 at 1:46 pm #283243That ref last night is supposed top be based in Lancashire and who are 4th, Chorley also based in Lancashire ?. It does make you wonder whether bias played a part.
The ref is also an assessor for the F.A and is the head assessor for other all the other non league refs in the Lancashire area.
My jaw nearly hit the floor when I discovered that. To disallow that goal last night in my opinion was more than just incompetency, he saw something which didn’t even happen. It’s surely impossible for a ref to a get a decision so wrong and just chalk it down to a human error.
Butterfield was a a few yards away from their GK when he slapped the ball into his own net !
That wasn’t the only dodgy decision either.
March 27, 2024 at 1:57 pm #283246To disallow that goal last night in my opinion was more than just incompetency, he saw something which didn’t even happen. It’s surely impossible for a ref to a get a decision so wrong and just chalk it down to a human error.
Butterfield was a a few yards away from their GK when he slapped the ball into his own net !
Just looking for the possible explanation with the least edge to it, for the sake of everyone’s sanity…
I’d suggest that because he didn’t have a clear view (ie. sight of the keeper was obscured by Butterfield’s back), when the keeper went down seeming to have been fouled then the referee had no option other than working on the balance of probability that he had. The lino might have been able to clarify, but perhaps he didn’t have a clear view either.
In the non-VAR leagues, who does the rule book favour in these situations?
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March 27, 2024 at 2:00 pm #283248I understand he may not have had a clear view, but any competent ref would have gone over and asked the linesman for a second opinion. All he did was blow up straight away thinking he saw something which didn’t even happen.
That’s just not good enough.
March 27, 2024 at 2:02 pm #283249I understand he may not have had a clear view, but any competent ref would have gone over and asked the linesman for a second opinion. All he did was blow up straight away thinking he saw something which didn’t even happen.
That’s just not good enough.
But if he believed something happened then why seek second opinion? What else is he supposed to do other than commit to the decision based on what he saw?
March 27, 2024 at 2:19 pm #283252‘i was just trying to make a suggestion of a way to stop fans thinking referring mistakes are deliberate which may help quell the conspiracy theories.’
Like the one below?
‘That ref last night is supposed top be based in Lancashire and who are 4th, Chorley also based in Lancashire ?. It does make you wonder whether bias played a part.’
March 27, 2024 at 2:54 pm #283257Considering it’s the paddling pool of professional football there seems to be a high number of people who are “out of their depth”!
March 27, 2024 at 2:57 pm #283258With regard to the disallowed goal last night I just wondered what is the role of linesman these days, they are there to assist the referees but what rules do they operate under? It should have been clear from a side view that no one was near the keeper and he should have flagged to advise the ref unless he didn’t see it but he ought to have seen it or is it that the referees made a decision and that’s it.
March 27, 2024 at 3:07 pm #283259With regard to the disallowed goal last night I just wondered what is the role of linesman these days, they are there to assist the referees but what rules do they operate under? It should have been clear from a side view that no one was near the keeper and he should have flagged to advise the ref unless he didn’t see it but he ought to have seen it or is it that the referees made a decision and that’s it.
Maybe, then, it’s to do with the power dynamic between refs and linesmen?
March 27, 2024 at 3:55 pm #283260I think it’s up to referees at this level to decide how much their linesmen contribute. Ref never consulted the linesman (right hand side as we attacked) in the whole of the first half. Linesman flagged for ball out of play and offside but never signalled once for a foul. This was despite him being 2 yards from Whitehall when rhe booking incident occurred – which was not a foul by either player by the way.
The first time in over 60 years of playing and watching football I have been convinced a referee had an agenda rather than just been incompetent.
Good to see the Spennymoor goalie and interviewer having a good laugh about it.
March 27, 2024 at 4:09 pm #283261… despite him being 2 yards from Whitehall when rhe booking incident occurred – which was not a foul by either player by the way…
It was a heavy collision but there was absolutely nothing ‘in it’ from either of them.
March 27, 2024 at 4:50 pm #283262Agree Apollo. Was about 4 yards away. Both players had eyes on the ball and there where no raised arms or elbows from either player. The referee clearly had an agenda to book Whitehall and reached for his card immediately. He did then hesitate with the card until the players received treatment. Could and should have consulted his linesman who was 2 yards away from the incident with a much better view but didn’t even acknowledge the lino let alone speak to him.
Possibly the abuse he received after that incident set him against the team in general for the remainder of the game. If he didn’t have an agenda then one assumes he will be apologising for disallowing the goal once he has seen the replay and the video of the Spennymoor goalkeeper laughing at him.
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March 27, 2024 at 5:25 pm #283264Doubt he’ll be apologising. Complaining about the abuse he’s had and criticism on the club’s X account is more likely based on what other referees are saying about it all
The authorities responsible for officials at that level need to start withdrawing labour. Let's see how Scunthorpe complete their fixtures without a referee. The culture towards officials in this country needs to change
— Chris Lepkowski (@chrislepkowski) March 27, 2024
March 27, 2024 at 5:27 pm #283265and I thought Darren Deadman was bad…last night’s ref is the worst I’ve seen since the days of playing in the Barton League! I could live for another 1,000 years and don’t think I would ever witness a worse refereeing performance.
March 27, 2024 at 7:59 pm #283276I reckon when you consider the recent online behaviour of our fans this twitter post has to be considered extremely irresponsible
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March 27, 2024 at 8:06 pm #283278I reckon when you consider the recent online behaviour of our fans this twitter post has to be considered extremely irresponsible
It’s also highly unprofessional. I expect more from my football club, even when passions are running high.
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March 27, 2024 at 8:13 pm #283279I have seen one of the refs who defended Taylor has said he has received abuse by DM. I think some of the refs have handled disagreement poorly, but that and posting email addresses of Taylor is not on.
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March 27, 2024 at 8:15 pm #283280The guy above has received homophobic abuse.James Moody should be ashamed
March 27, 2024 at 8:22 pm #283281I am uneasy about linking Moody to that, given this wasn’t the ref and it seems too many steps removed. However, this tweet did cause hounding of Mr Taylor, so I agree that it was poor from him in contributing to that.
March 27, 2024 at 8:27 pm #283282If he made the twitter post directing anger at officials,he is to blame. He buried my recent complaint about online abuse recently so do not trust his judgement at all
March 27, 2024 at 8:32 pm #283283He’d be to blame for that tweet, if it was him, not disagreeing.
March 28, 2024 at 4:41 am #283287The guy above has received homophobic abuse.James Moody should be ashamed
Are we sure James made the post ?
I’ve seen something on social media where he is distancing himself from making the tweet. Maybe hold back on the outrage until it’s confirmed it was him.
The tweet was unprofessional and so is the standard of officiating, there has got to be an open dialogue on how things can improve.
March 28, 2024 at 6:51 am #283288Same twitter handle as James above, so not an imposter.
The amount of abusive and homophobic private messages I've been receiving from Scunthorpe United fans is disgusting but sadly not surprising. I've reported them all and blocked them but I don't expect any action to be taken as it very rarely is on here. I kept my private messages
— James Stevens (@grassrootsrefJa) March 27, 2024
March 28, 2024 at 7:43 am #283289The guy above has received homophobic abuse.James Moody should be ashamed
Are we sure James made the post ?
I’ve seen something on social media where he is distancing himself from making the tweet. Maybe hold back on the outrage until it’s confirmed it was him.
“Hold back on the outrage”
He does the Social Media on Matchdays, confirmed this in his tweets at Warrington on Saturday.
Some people think they are untouchable, don’t they?
March 28, 2024 at 7:47 am #283290The guy above has received homophobic abuse.James Moody should be ashamed
Are we sure James made the post ?
I’ve seen something on social media where he is distancing himself from making the tweet. Maybe hold back on the outrage until it’s confirmed it was him.
The tweet was unprofessional and so is the standard of officiating, there has got to be an open dialogue on how things can improve.
I realise my above post was wrong. I thought you were referring to James Stevens.
March 28, 2024 at 7:57 am #283291I’ve now seen all this twitter stuff that is being referenced about the Spennymoor ref.
What a cesspit X is !
The tweet by the club after the result is poor clearly questioning the integrity of the ref- I would say very amateur not what I’d expect from a professional football club.
The responses from a lot of Scunthorpe supporters comes across, at best, as whining and entitled.
There’s someone who has produced a list of ref incidents we have suffered from.
There are others contacting some ref account, I think it’s the ref James mentioned above, and literally trying to get him to block them.
I’m sorry but the Matt Ellis responses don’t look good to me, suggesting there is an agenda against Scunthorpe United.
The whole thing seems to have riled up various rival club fans to either take the piss or tell sufc to get over themselves.
Scunthorpe United are a full time professional club playing in a part time league with a squad of highly paid professional players and when we can’t manage to get a result at Spennymoor start kicking off like spoiled kids who haven’t got their own way and blaming the whole thing on the ref.
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