Very surprised to see Darren Moore walk out of Donny, seemingly a well-run club performing well on the pitch, for Sheffield Wednesday, which is also a football club.
Do contracts in football not really exist, or have any force?
How can someone just walk out of one contract into another, seemingly at will, yet no comebacks?
And why aren’t managers covered by transfer windows?
Ever resigned from a job Alcy? If so, you’ll have “walked out on your contract”.
We still have a real feudal attitude to footballers in some respects, don’t we? In the same way we talk about players getting a weekly wage rather than an annual salary.
Nope.
I worked with a contract and could only leave after due notice.
My employer had to give me due notice to end my contract.
That’s how contracts work, Ferrite.
It’s not feudal, it’s employment law, giving both employee and employer stability and protection.
So….I repeat, do football contracts not work?
I would guess the further up the employment structure you go the contract details are more flexible. The majority of us guys making comments will have probably been on a standard type of employment contract that protects the employer and employee with basic things such as terms of notice on both sides or gross misconduct which can result in instant dismissal without going through the verbal, written and final written procedures. Many people further up the chain have things in their contract that allow club owners to dismiss managers if targets are not met but allow managers to leave if better offers come in and they have met certain targets in their contract. Donny are riding high in league one which is probably more then was expected in his contract when initially agreed, who knows but I assume Donny will get a certain amount of compo for losing their manager from Wednesday, the fact it may not be announced publicly does not mean it’s not occurring due to the terms of the managers contract.
I worked with a contract and could only leave after due notice.
My employer had to give me due notice to end my contract.
That’s how contracts work, Ferrite.
It’s not feudal, it’s employment law, giving both employee and employer stability and protection.
So….I repeat, do football contracts not work
Well, it depends what you mean by “work”. If you mean “people abide by their terms”, then I imagine they do “work” and, as Iron-awe points out, many managers (and players) will have clauses negotiated as part of their contract allowing them to leave under certain circumstances.
If, however, you mean “work” by “clubs have all the power”, then the answer is no.
You appear to go out of your way alcy to be hard work just for the sheer bloody mindedness of it, how do you know what every individual contract contains? You have your own contracts from your own working life as a guide and you automatically think that makes it a yardstick for everyone else’s contract, well it doesn’t and you will have a grasp of this but as usual it’s easier to play the arse, what a surprise, not. 🙄
It’s a fair point about notice periods, but due to the competitiveness and psychology involved in football management, I don’t think it would really work in football/nor would any club actually want to keep a manager on after he’d agreed to join another club.
Slightly off-topic, but I’ve always felt notice periods work on goodwill in most businesses.
Obviously if a business got rid of someone without a notice period/redundancy it’d end up in court and the employee would win the case.
But in 99% of cases, what would actually happen if an employee left a company to join another one and declined to work their notice period? I imagine nothing?
But in 99% of cases, what would actually happen if an employee left a company to join another one and declined to work their notice period? I imagine nothing?
Probably depends on your level. Some contracts have clauses saying you can’t work for a competitor for X weeks/months after leaving your current job, so if you walked out on one company and went straight to a competitor, I reckon your old employer could take you to court.
In my job, you COULD walk out without working your notice, but only to go to an employer in a different line of work.
And you’d not get back into your original line of work again, that would have been a certainty.
IA and Ferrite: not trying to be bloody minded, but I have a thing about fairness.
If you sign a contract, you should fulfil it.
As far as not knowing what the lads contract with Donny said, fair enough, but it seems a far stretch of the imagination to believe that it said he could go to another club on any day he chose?
Unless, of course, I’m missing something and you two have an entirely different reason to support his apparent disloyalty?🙂
Alcy I never said he could go to another club any day he chose and you well know that if you read my post about contracts properly. Just to repeat because I know you are a stickler for detail, if he fulfils parts of his contract regarding what he was meant to achieve at Donny and again we are not privvy to that and if he is approached by anothger club and has fulfilled all those aspects, he could well be allowed to speak to said club about joining them and again we are not privvy to that. This brings us back to the original point of not all contracts are the same and the higher up the work structure you go the less we know about the terms of such compared to a standard type contract of employment which has probably applied to the majority using this forum throughout their working lives. Please try and absorb details in an accurate way before coming back with meaningless points about what a person employed further up the working chain should and should not do.
Not unusual for a manager who has managed in the PL (albeit briefly) going to a L1 club and having a clause in his contract saying that if a club from a higher division comes knocking he’s allowed to speak to them.
I’m guessing Moore had something along those lines in his contract.
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