Andrew Tate

[Deereyme66]

I didn’t even know who this ‘influencer’ was until today but having read the piece in the link and the accompanying ‘inside’ piece reminded me of an uncomfortable occurance in the shop the other day seeing a big young man coercing his much smaller partner / wife nearby. Literally slamming his hands on her shoulders when she tried to move off and saying aggressively ‘stop looking at that, what are we having for dinner?!’. It was her frightened submissive look that spoke volumes, looking like the thin end of the wedge. Wonder if that excuse for a man has been ‘influenced’ by the likes of this Tate? Possibly.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/30/andrew-tate-detained-in-romania-on-organised-and-charges?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[Siderite]

These men prey on the vulnerability some young men face today, saying they can cure it through acting like a domineering and aggressive alpha male who cares for no-one else. It gives some men the impression that they are confident and strong if they act like this, and the promised allure of being attractive to women helps those who see themselves as losers.

This is not a healthy vision, given the negative nature of those with that mindset. It has a horrible viewpoint of women and encourages a lack of empathy. However, I think it has an allure because of its promises to make men feel happy and strong, even if that means being cruel, arrogant and bullying towards others.

[Deereyme66]

What a tragic modern society

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[Siderite]

Siderite wrote:

These men prey on the vulnerability some young men face today, saying they can cure it through acting like a domineering and aggressive alpha male who cares for no-one else. It gives some men the impression that they are confident and strong if they act like this, and the promised allure of being attractive to women helps those who see themselves as losers.

This is not a healthy vision, given the negative nature of those with that mindset. It has a horrible viewpoint of women and encourages a lack of empathy. However, I think it has an allure because of its promises to make men feel happy and strong, even if that means being cruel, arrogant and bullying towards others.

I have to say this thread challenged my narrative here:

https://twitter.com/Martha_Gill/status/1612038563411152901

[Deereyme66]

Ah, that’s interesting, this ‘lost boys’ angle was very well covered in the first series of the excellent White Lotus on Sky / NOW, that I’ve just finished. Basically, a high flying business owning mum, tries to excuse her screen tech obsessed son with poor social skills as being a victim of a ‘woke agenda’. Like, ‘it’s him we should be emphasising with!’. Hilarious.

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[Siderite]

Hatred of women permeates through every culture among many men. I had sympathy with the idea that men felt left out, even if I am far less sympathetic to the crux of the idea itself (such as that given by the mum), but that thread raises a good point. Misogyny has been existent through history, it’s nothing new, so the idea that these men would have been fine if women’s right’s hadn’t gone ‘too far’ is one I am sceptical of. It sounds and feels more like an excuse.

I had thought that maybe some men being isolated had driven them that way. Maybe it does, but this is a bit of a check that even if some men wouldn’t have been isolated such misogyny would probably still exist.

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